|re: Karine and Tyce projects...what I think...|
||The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 05:35 pm MST 02/21/17|
|In reply to:||re: Karine and Tyce projects...what I think... - Jsteinfan 11:36 am MST 02/21/17|
Jacqueline, thank you! The general vibe I was getting from the community at the moment was that this was a labour of love by fans, for fans and misled to belive it has Jim's blessing. I honestly didn't want to dampen the mood by saying that these projects, no matter there intention, looks a little amateurish. The Tyce project seems to have its heart in the right place, and for me, getting Julie and her husband to do the art adds something of an cohesive to Jim's work as I am a big fan of the cover art she did for Braver and I think she's done a good job here. It's a fine balence between past album covers involving Jim's work and the cheesecake angle they seem to be shooting this guy from and it seems to strike a good balance. Tyce, is someone who has a very natural ability to sing, the talent is there undoubtedly, he just seems like a guy who was told he can sing once and never sought any further training to hone his craft. Some songs he's okay, some not so much and belts out, whether it suits the song or not.
The Karienna album, bareing in mind I've not heard it all, seems to be a cash in off another cash in. I love Karienna, her Not Allowed to Love is one of my favourite recordings. But the sample of Braver that was shared seems like like they recorded her in a studio with a backing track being played out loud on a boom box in the same room. There's a disconnect between her voice and the song that seems amatureish to me.
This isn't a judgement on the quality of the finished products as I've not heard either and that's not really the issue here. The issue is that these well intentioned but seemingly misguided projects could potentially cast a shadow on the musical, which is far more important than either of these projects.
I agree!!!! You can't do Steinman without Steinman - and
> Steinman just debuted what is in my opinion the greatest
> accomplishment of his career. A bunch of clingons trying
> to cash i on his success. That said I think Tyce is
> genuine and was probably misled along the way
> > Until now, I've remained very quiet about the "tribute"
> > projects surrounding Jim Steinman - specifically Karine
> > Hannah's Renegade Angel (directly lifting a title that
> > belongs to Jim...not to mention the cover with the
> > "moonlight shining through" and the wolf with the red
> > rose...where is the creativity? Why not call it
> > "Handgrenade Angel" - at least that reflects the way the
> > songs are blown to bits) and the Tyce Green Hero project.
> > For what it's worth, I think Tyce is a nice, young guy
> > with a great voice. I think he's been mislead and dragged
> > along by the ambition of others. But that's my opinion.
> > To be honest, these self proclaimed "tributes" didn't
> > especially bother me until lately. The timing really
> > doesn't sit well with me and I'll say it flatly - it seems
> > like they are in it for themselves and trying to horn in
> > on Jim's success while dampening his victory!! They may
> > not be hoping for riches and fame but they are definitely
> > trying to take advantage with the timing.
> > "Renegade Angel" - made the post below on
> > Facebook...hahaha - belly laugh of the decade - in the
> > comments she responds to someone saying her clip sounds
> > better than the Steinman/Rinkoff version with "That's what
> > we like to hear!!" That was the exact kind of disrespect
> > to Jim's children that caused ties to be severed in the
> > first place. Here is the post explaining why they moved
> > the release date:
> > "Steinmaniacs!
> > The first single from the album Renegade Angel starring
> > Karine Hannah "Braver Than We Are" will now be released on
> > March 4th not Feb 17 as previously announced due to most
> > people being in Manchester for the Bat Out Of Hell musical
> > and not being able to download it at the time. So for
> > maximum exposure we've put it back a couple of weeks... So
> > that's the bad news out of the way, here's a sneak peak at
> > the brand new single BRAVER THAN WE ARE!!!"
> > Why are they calling out to Jim's fanbase? Bug off. Find
> > your own fans. Or, go bother Celine Dion fans -- maybe
> > they'll be happy to see you!
> > Then the Tyce "Hero" group, posting all over Jim's
> > Facebook page and on this message board on the opening
> > days of Bat in Manchester!!! Can't they let Jim and his
> > fans have even a few days to bask in the glory of the Bat
> > Musical?? Leave Jim's page alone long enough for his fans
> > to enjoy talking about Bat and him? The answer is "NO"
> > because they see timing as everything. I don't buy the
> > "we're just hoping to make 2017 a SteinYear." Newsflash,
> > Jim doesn't need your help!! The ego!! This is no
> > different than Steve Steinman. Yes, I take that back,
> > it's worse -- because they are trying their best to act
> > like they not only have Jim's consent -- they want it to
> > seem like they have his cooperation and collaboration. The
> > Tyce album write up, in case you haven't seen, uses some
> > old Jim quotes out of context to maximum effect. The
> > cover! That's the best cover Boris and Julie could come
> > up with? A magic mirror that turns people into heroic
> > creatures by stripping off their top? Wow.
> > This is Jim's time. Jim's glory. This is not just a
> > "tribute" - they want something - even if it's just
> > attention for their project. I didn't want to stay silent
> > any longer. Sorry. Honestly, if they could have just
> > backed off for a few weeks, let the Bat Musical bask in
> > the glow of it's success and stopped posting "with Jim
> > Steinman" (they are not "with" him, I can assure you) all
> > over Facebook, I might not have gone on this rant. But,
> > hey ho...I'm protective of Jim and I won't apologize for
> > that.
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