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re: Tyce Album and Concert Review

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Steve10086 01:46 pm MST 03/18/17
In reply to: re: Tyce Album and Concert Review - Jacqueline 09:55 am MST 03/18/17

Am so glad it's not just me. I do appreciate the fact he's recorded an album of Steinman songs - I wish more people did - but he just doesn't have the kind of voice I like, or the songs deserve.



> I have noticed exactly the same thing about the way he
> ends words and drops notes.
>
> > The cost of the recording is irrelevant when considering
> > Tyce's voice. He seems to have an aversion to holding
> > notes, and ends words with very weird sounds. That's my
> > problem with this CD.
> >
> >
> >
> > > First of all, I'd like to highlight that Tyce's album is a
> > > major achievement. Before comparing it with Bonnie Tyler,
> > > Celine Dion and MeatLoaf, one needs to remember that the
> > > total recording cost of Tyce's album is probably less than
> > > one minute on "Bat Out Of Hell 2". In that context, Tyce &
> > > team have created a fantastic album, which shows great
> > > potential for future projects.
> > >
> > > On the main CD, my favorite tracks are generally the
> > > upbeat songs, especially "Holding Out For A Hero" and "I'm
> > > Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us". The tracks which I found
> > > the least engaging were "Heaven Can Wait" and "It's All
> > > Coming Back To Me Now". These tracks are by no means bad,
> > > but I would have preferred a different sound on them. One
> > > of best aspects of the CD is Zak Lloyd's stunning synths,
> > > although the guitars by Nicky James, Mike Smith and Max
> > > Rich are also fabulous. Anyway, I think a more synth-based
> > > sound on "Heaven Can Wait" would have made it stand out
> > > more compared with previous versions. Now it's a nice
> > > track, but it lacks the originality of some of the other
> > > album tracks.
> > >
> > > In fact, I would have traded "Heaven Can Wait" and "It's
> > > All Coming Back To Me Now" for a full rock band recording
> > > of one more upbeat song, e.g. "Peel Out", "Ravishing" or
> > > "Faster Than The Speed Of Night". I think any of these
> > > songs would have sounded awesome in a Zak Lloyd
> > > production. In general, I think Tyce's voice and
> > > performance style work the best on a lot of the more
> > > upbeat tracks. It's no coincidence that he rose to
> > > "Stein-fame" with his live performance of "Bat Out Of
> > > Hell" at 54 Below. It's in these types of songs that I
> > > think he can flex his vocal chords the most. I would have
> > > preferred "Hero" to have mostly upbeat tracks, and maybe
> > > 2-3 ballads.
> > >
> > > On the acoustic CD, "Holding Out For A Hero" and "Anything
> > > For Love" are my favorites. Again, these tracks are the
> > > ones that differ the most from the feel of the original
> > > versions. I've never cared for "Everything Is Permitted"
> > > or "More Than You Deserve", but the acoustic versions are
> > > nice nonetheless, and IGLHFBOU, IACBTMN and FCOL all sound
> > > great in Tyce's acoustic versions. Excellent piano by Zak
> > > Lloyd, especially on the breathtakingly beautiful
> > > recording of "Hero" (both full band and acoustic version).
> > > This is also one of Tyce's finest vocal moments on the
> > > album. The quality of the vocals range from good via very
> > > good to spell-binding. If I'm not mistaken, vocals were
> > > recorded over many months, which may explain some of this
> > > variation.
> > >
> > > Here are my track-by-track comments:
> > >
> > > HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO - Definitely the stand-out track on
> > > the album. The piano intro is haunting, and the backing
> > > tracks compliment Tyce's excellent vocals perfectly. Once
> > > the guitars kick in, the adrenaline rush is inevitable.
> > > What a rocker! And after about 3 minutes, there's the
> > > "through the wind and the chill and the rain". This is one
> > > of the best non-Steinman produced parts of a Steinman song
> > > I have ever heard. Absolutely awesome!
> > >
> > > HEAVEN CAN WAIT - Nice version, but would have preferred a
> > > more synth-based arrangement to make it more original
> > > compared with previous versions.
> > >
> > > I'LL KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T COME BACK - Fantastic intro and
> > > synths through the entire song! The whole upbeat part is
> > > awesome. "Bless all the girls..." is also really good, but
> > > the sound could have been a bit more different than the
> > > MeatLoaf version, which was one of my few production
> > > highlights on "Deadringer".
> > >
> > > LEFT IN THE DARK - Some of the synths, especially in the
> > > chorus, are very lovely, but it's difficult to match Jim's
> > > original version. Still many great moments in this
> > > version!
> > >
> > > TOTAL ECLIPSE - Also a highlight on the CD. Excellent
> > > production by Zak and great vocals by both Tyce and Alex
> > > Nester. Nicky's guitars are also excellent.
> > >
> > > IACBTMN - Nice version, but again, I would have preferred
> > > a more synth-based arrangement. It's difficult to match
> > > the Celine/Steinman and Meat/Raven/Child versions.
> > >
> > > IGLHFBOU: The second single! Fantastic intro and synths
> > > throughout the entire song. The vocals by Tyce and Alex
> > > fit perfectly to the backing tracks. I never liked the
> > > song that much when I heard the original version, but now
> > > I really like it! This is definitely my favorite version
> > > of this song, and I think it sounds much better than the
> > > dated original recording.
> > >
> > > OBJECTS: Another highlight on the CD. Terrific production
> > > and vocals by Tyce and Mia Moravis. The synths are great,
> > > although some of them seem a little "bright" considering
> > > the heavy topics of the song. I'm a little torn about the
> > > "wo-ho-wo-ho" after 4:46. It sounds fantastic, but maybe
> > > there's too much of "I've been through bad times but I've
> > > moved on" feeling to them? Still undecided about that.
> > > Another excellent guitar performance by Nicky and Max on
> > > this song.
> > >
> > > BRAVER: Superb intro. I had no idea which song was playing
> > > the first time I heard the teaser. The rest of the
> > > production is also really good, although the "say a
> > > prayer" part feels a little rushed. Towards the end of the
> > > song, everything comes together beautifully, and the
> > > vocals (esp. Alex's raw emotion) and arrangement provides
> > > a perfect climax to an excellent album and a brave take on
> > > some of the best songs ever written.
> > >
> > > Below I also attach my Facebook post about the NYC concert
> > > and the great nights with the HERO crew before and after
> > > the concert.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > > ----------------
> > >
> > > Earlier this week I had the great pleasure of seeing two
> > > excellent shows in NYC. The first one, Tyce Green's
> > > awesome launch concert for his Steinman album "Hero" on
> > > Thursday, was a thrill ride and an upgrade compared with
> > > his already excellent performances at 54 Below in 2015 and
> > > 2016. I also had the pleasure of meeting a lot of the
> > > great people behind the album, e.g. Tyce Green, Zak Lloyd,
> > > Nicky James, Alex Nester, Alex U'Ren, Van Dean and Mia
> > > Moravis.
> > >
> > > On Wednesday night, I met up with Hero musicians Zak Lloyd
> > > (production/arrangement), Nicky James (co-production) and
> > > Alex U'Ren (mixing) for Guinness and gossip. Well, the
> > > evening was mostly dominated by Zak's outrageous sense of
> > > humor. "Animal House on a cocktail of vodka, steroids and
> > > Viagra" won't quiet cut it, but it's the best description
> > > I can come up with... ;-)
> > >
> > > On Thursday night, I headed over to the Cutting Room for
> > > Tyce's show. I was handed a copy of Tyce's album from Van
> > > Dean, who's the President of Broadway Records. Their cast
> > > recording of "The Color Purple" revival won the 2017
> > > Grammy Award for Best Musical Theatre Album, so it's great
> > > that Tyce's album could be released on their label.
> > >
> > > Alex Nester started off the show with an excellent cover
> > > of Whitney Houston's "I Have Nothing", as well as a couple
> > > of very nice original songs of hers. Shortly after that,
> > > Tyce and the band entered the stage with an excellent new
> > > version of "Braver Than We Are". Two of the other
> > > highlights during the evening were "Holding Out For A
> > > Hero" and "I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us". It is
> > > unfair to compare productions from different eras, but the
> > > original 80's productions of these two Steinman songs have
> > > not stood the test of time quite as well as most of the
> > > other ones. "Hero" in particular is very impressive,
> > > especially the "through the wind and the chill and the
> > > rain", which didn't quite get the attention it deserved on
> > > the original version. In Tyce's version, it stands out as
> > > one of the best non-Steinman produced parts of a Steinman
> > > song. As for "Both Of Us", I've never been a fan of the
> > > song and especially not the non-Steinman production on
> > > "Dead ringer". Tyce's version has a darker edge, which I
> > > think suits the lyrics better. This is definitely the best
> > > production of this song, and I think Tyce's versions of
> > > "Hero" and "Both Of Us" are both more appealing to most
> > > younger audiences, which was one of the reasons for
> > > recording them in the first place. Other highlights during
> > > the evening were "Braver" and "Objects", with perfectly
> > > balanced backing vocals by Alex Nester and Mia Moravis.
> > > Alex also provided terrific vocals for several other songs
> > > in the show.
> > >
> > > As for "Braver", the intro is superb, and I had no idea
> > > which song I was listening to the first time I heard the
> > > teaser. I must admit that the "Say the prayer" part is a
> > > bit rushed, though. "Braver" has been one of my favorite
> > > Steinman songs, ever since I first heard it as "Something
> > > Of This Masquerade May Follow" from the 1986 "Confidence
> > > Man" recording, later reappearing as "Draussen ist
> > > Freiheit" in "Tanz der Vampire" in Vienna in 1997.
> > > However, the element that really elevated this song to one
> > > of Steinman's greatest for me was the addition of the "Say
> > > The Prayer" part in the Stuttgart production in 2000 (I
> > > saw the show both in Vienna and Stuttgart).
> > > Recording-wise, Karine's original demo is still my
> > > favorite version, and it would have been foolish to try to
> > > recreate it (like Paul Crook kind of tried to do with
> > > Meat's version). Tyce & team did the right thing to do
> > > their very own take on "Braver", and it holds up as one of
> > > the best non-Steinman produced recordings of a Steinman
> > > song, which is a fantastic accomplishment considering the
> > > tough challenge from Desmond Child and others who had much
> > > greater recording budgets at their disposal. Whether we
> > > like it or not, if the songs are to live on, they must be
> > > non-Steinman produced in the future. After the show, a few
> > > of us (including radio personality Tony Bates) went out
> > > for drinks and a meal. A very memorable evening!


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