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pidunk 04:55 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Bully dog question - Leesa 04:48 am UTC 07/23/07 |
> Yes, actually we have. > Leesa > Where? What? When? > > > > > > > What these puppies need is a fucking vet! > > > You seem to think that I'm oblivious to animal legislation > > > but I know it well. > > > > You haven't seen "legislation" like this that I am > > describing. I am showing you the projected results of the > > destructive animal protection movements which is to form > > an animal control movement that will control not only the > > animals but the humans having them. In California it is > > most visible. > > > > > > > > > > > > >And I know thatn ignorant individuals > > > as these are no asset. > > > > > > Ignorant people who love animals need smart people to help > > guide them. > > > > > > > I can't dispense generic information in a responsible way. > > > The dogs needs a vet check--I can't fathom havinmg a bitch > > > and her litter go this long without opne. They'll be lucky > > > if any, including the bitch, survive at this rate. > > > Leesa > > > > A vet check is adjunct to home care measures for the > > family. You are being highly irresponsible by refusing to > > give the smallest piece of information about what puppies, > > even this breed's puppies, need, even if there are no > > problems, or what problems to PREVENT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you don't see it, but what is happening in America > > > > is a slow systematic propaganda campaign on several levels > > > > which would ostensibly remove rights of breeding animals > > > > from individuals and place them squarely in regulated > > > > hands, which would then form bureacracies of distributions > > > > of who shall have animals, who shall pay how much for > > > > their animal, and that no individual sources for the > > > > animals can be found. So while you rant about puppy mills > > > > and irresponsible behaviors of some breeders just be aware > > > > that I am in favor of safety of the animal harboring > > > > rights of individuals just as much as I am in favor of the > > > > safety for the animals. So, what do these puppies need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it really matters, but you should know that about > > > > > 85% of the Bull Terrier Club of America wouldn't even deal > > > > > with people like you describe--they'd be considered such > > > > > trash that they wouldn't bother. I have argued for years > > > > > that we HAVE to try to educate these people or they just > > > > > fill the miller market more and more by our alienation. > > > > > There are a plethora of cities in every state banning bull > > > > > breeds because of ignorant people. Bullies have more > > > > > genetic health problems than Carter's has pills, largely > > > > > because we're a scarce-over 120 yr old breed. You cannot > > > > > responsibly have a litter without knowing genetic issue. > > > > > Who knows where these bozos got their dogs--Petland? No > > > > > wait, they don't sell bull breeds...probably another > > > > > backyard breeder who willy-nilly produces pups. Vets? Who > > > > > needs 'em? Genetics? What's that? Registries? How 'bout > > > > > the 'American Pet Registry'? Bloody hell. We LOST over 2 > > > > > grand each litter. We also set the precedence in the BTCA > > > > > for guarenteeing pups FOR LIFE. We ALL lose money--it's a > > > > > hobby, a labour of love. A life's work. Which is why I had > > > > > the photo of my Elvis in Jim's Yearbook--everybody has > > > > > kids and is proud and loves them. But Elvis was another > > > > > kind of commitment and achievement that you most likely > > > > > can't understand. He was in the works for me since 1974. > > > > > And you don't have a clue of the work, money and sacrifice > > > > > that takes. My husband and I didn't have kids until after > > > > > being married 7 years because bullies were our life. And > > > > > that was just because we didn't have a bitch to campaign > > > > > at the time! > > > > > And the crowning glory for me is that I am respected > > > > > amongst my mutally respected peers. > > > > > This is what my life has served. > > > > > And you'd 'damn well not' refer someone to me..hey, their > > > > > loss...and a measure of your own judgement. > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious--why would you refuse to put people like this > > > > > > in contact with me? Do you think I mean the breed harm? Do > > > > > > you think my take on what they should do is wrong? You're > > > > > > looking at the standard party line of one of the BEST > > > > > > national clubs in the sport of purebred dogs. We have the > > > > > > pristine reputation we have BECAUSE of our approach, > > > > > > elitist that it sometimes seems. The breed and the dogs > > > > > > are the priority, always. > > > > > > I have the privilege of associating with the BEST Bull > > > > > > Terrier people in the WORLD, some of whom are my mentors > > > > > > and co-breeders. And you'd 'sure as damn hell' not put > > > > > > them in contact with me??--well, thanks for adding to our > > > > > > breeds' problems--I WILL remember that. You read about the > > > > > > horrors of puppy mills and you know what horse you backed, > > > > > > sister. Go to one of their auctions sometime. You're > > > > > > shamefully clueless and you profoundly hurt a 'charming' > > > > > > breed. > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your letting me know about this. Hmmm. > > > > > > > > They have both the dam and stud dog--I guess my first > > > > > > > > advice would be to contact the breeders where they > > > > > > > > acquired their dogs from and let them know they had (I > > > > > > > > presume) their first litter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where the dogs originated from, and it is not > > > > > > > an atmosphere where they welcome inquiries, even if it > > > > > > > were my business, which it is not, where they got the > > > > > > > dogs, and it is also none of my business to call their > > > > > > > breeder instead of them calling their breeder. If they > > > > > > > have communication with their breeder, they are not > > > > > > > reflecting such insights by their communications with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many reasons why > > > > > > > > puppies in the early days die. A seasoned bully breeder > > > > > > > > can be an irreplacable mentor, especially when dealing > > > > > > > > with the complications a litter can bring. I had 3 litters > > > > > > > > from 1986 to my last in 1993 (the one Elvis was out of) > > > > > > > > and we had every problem and malady, genetic and > > > > > > > > otherwise, in the book. Without my mentors I never would > > > > > > > > have made it! So my first call would be to THEIR breeder > > > > > > > > for immediate advice, both general as well as > > > > > > > > bloodline-specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They seem uninterested in the bloodline or genetic issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next IMMEDIATE stop would be to a competent > > > > > > > > bully-knowledgable vet and get everyone evaluated, > > > > > > > > including the bitch. It's probably too late to remove > > > > > > > > dewclaws, but I'd definately get an evaluation and be sure > > > > > > > > that mom has expelled all afterbirth and whatnot including > > > > > > > > her milk output and general after-whelp condition, > > > > > > > > focusing on pseuso-eclampsia, a calcium drop somewhat > > > > > > > > unique to Bull Terriers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are not taking the dogs to any vets at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If for some reason they can't access their breeder I'd go > > > > > > > > to the Bull Terrier Club of America's website (BTCA--do a > > > > > > > > search) and find the closest regional club. We have alot > > > > > > > > in California and we can arrange a home visit if need > > > > > > > > merits from a member of the closest club. They are an > > > > > > > > invaluable resource with a list of BTCA approved vets. > > > > > > > > Have them tell the regional club contact that I sent > > > > > > > > them--I'm the Iowa rescue 'hotspotter' if they don't know > > > > > > > > me straightaway and am on the BTCA membership list for > > > > > > > > 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't even have time, they say, to go to Petco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My e-mail should be on the Club's website, if it's not > > > > > > > > been updated from the old aol, it's > > > > > > > > gallytrotter@mchsi.com. Have them e-mail me with their > > > > > > > > phone and I'm more than willing to call them and make a > > > > > > > > personal referral and be of any assistance possible. > > > > > > > > Again, thank you Susan for setting things aside and > > > > > > > > letting us help these folks and their bullies. > > > > > > > > We'll do the best to help these folks and their babies. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure as damn hell won't put them in contact with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What basic care do puppies of any breed need? I know only > > > > > > > of kittens, and do not know anything about puppies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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