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Leesa (gallytrotter@mchsi.com) 02:24 am UTC 08/29/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Changing my tune on this............... - Bright_Eyes 09:17 pm UTC 08/28/07 |
| Susan IS a very intelligent person, articulate and well spoken. None of which are reasons people on this board dislike her. Those are grounds for disliking people on the Loaf boards. The point you miss is the very thing JD suggested to her several pages back--that she stood a better chance of being a well liked and respected poster here if she stuck to present observations and cut loose her real/imagined fan fiction she's pissed so many off with. None of us here, including Jim, believe her personal history she relays that she's had with him or his cousin(I think he's supposed to be) Jim Cypherd. She accuses many of us of being multiple personalities, demanding wedding photos and drivers licenses to prove our identities to her satisfaction. This is not the format for such tangents. If indeed she wants to direct everyone to her website featuring her latest novels on whatever, so be it. It's all fiction as well, or at best her opinion, but this is not the place to trot such fodder out. Simply put, Bright Eyes, THAT is what pisses everyone off. And simply put, THAT is what must stop to halt the disgusted knee-jerk reaction you've witnessed since last April. Leesa Johnson (in IOWA) > I'll drop in my opinion on this, and if it's too long, > just don't read it. Plain and simple. > > There has been less active and less friendly discussion on > this board in 2007, and the real reason for that is that > there genuinely is not as much to talk about. Previous > years had big stories, such as the extended mystery > leading up to the "Bat 3" album, the OTT/TDE projects, > Dance of the Vampires et cetera. There is simply no big > story in 2007, and not much to compare opinions about. A > lot of the standard fan topics, such as "what's your > favorite Jim song" are topics that have been talked about > many times before and aren't fresh anymore. Jim's career > is not doing anything that will bring in a lot of new > fans, so it's a lot of the same people who've read this > board in the past, and who aren't interested in having the > same newbie-fan discussions over and over again. > > Updates and blog entries won't change any of this except > maybe briefly, and I don't see any point in begging for > them. > > Try to keep this fan forum in perspective. Jim Steinman is > a songwriter who has not had a new hit of any sort since > 1998, and hasn't even presented so much as a new demo in > almost a year. It is astonishing that he can, in 2007, > have a fan forum as active as this one is, and that he > does speaks to the power of his work. There are artists > who are touring and releasing new material who cannot get > a fan forum as active as this one even though they would > want to have it. It is rare for a non-performer > songwriter/producer to have a fan community and network of > fan sites period. I don't know of a single fan site or > message board for Desmond Child, and he's sold a lot more > records than Jim. > > For reasons I do not entirely understand, many on this > message board feel like they're losing something when the > discussion activity dies down. I believe they tend to look > for a scapegoat for their "loss", and many think they've > found that in Susan. Meanwhile, inactivity is in my > opinion far from the worst thing that can happen on a > message board. I consider harassment, bullying and other > things far worse. > > Every single argument for banning or even hating Susan is > built on some sort of double-standard, and if you really > think it through, everything she does or is accused of is > something that somebody else here has done without being > made into the scapegoat-of-the-year. > > Susan had a very intelligent post that explained this very > well: > > Many here feel like they must be here even though there > seems to be no reason why they should. Pudding is a > perfect example. He has no respect for the admin here, he > doesn't like the board format or the software features, he > has a list of members here he doesn't like, and he spends > time posting attacks, wanting to stalk them and posting > their private AIM conversations. I do not at all > understand why he would choose to still be here, or at the > very least why he hasn't set up a competing board, which > can be done for free, where he is the admin. Just to see > how easy it is to set up a board comparable to this, I > made one at this link: > > http://jimcypherd.proboards51.com/index.cgi > > And I have no idea why Pudding has not set one up, because > he could probably get a lot of members from anybody who > wants to be on a board where Susan is banned. Especially > when you consider how much time Pudding has to be online. > > Susan really is an intelligent person, and that is a huge > part of what makes her so frustrating for those who hate > her. > > I guarantee you that if Jim Steinman's BAT musical gets > finished, as we get closer to the debut, the board will > pick up naturally no matter who is allowed to be here. The > project alone will generate countless threads that people > are interested in, without anybody having to force things > or make an effort to get things moving. > > You seem to want to believe that eliminating one member > will bring back the kind of board you had in previous > years, but I don't think it's that simple. There still > won't be as much to talk about. And, with Jim's career in > decline for about the past decade, there might never again > be as much to talk about...and that's fine as far as I'm > concerned. It's rare for a songwriter as old as him to be > productive and creative anymore anyway. If Jim's current > projects all fail, you may get to a point where being a > Steinman fan is about discussing the past and not the > present, and that is a very different type of climate in > which to try to have a fan community. > > The other thing is that Susan can't force anybody to do > anything. I believe Pudding is probably the #1 person who > makes the atmosphere here less fun, and you of all people > should understand why that is true. There is a long list > of others who I think do more than Susan to make the board > not fun in 2007, such as Smeghead, daveake, > rockfenris2005, The_Jackster, and others, perhaps > including myself. > > I personally do not see any true drop in intelligence > here. It's pretty much the same exact people for cryin' > out loud! I think people just don't have topics they're > all that interested in, so some of the smarter ones don't > post. The biggest story of 2007 on the board has been > people going to see a musical that most of them have seen > before, that has been running for a decade now. Compare > that to 2006 when we heard "...Children...", CTH, > Catwoman's Song, GothamCity/GraveyardShift, and Pig for > the first time, when we heard new lyrics, new > arrangements, new singers, live performances, we followed > the Bat 3 legal issues and the mystery around that album, > etc. etc. etc. There is just no rational reason to expect > a Jim Steinman fan forum in 2007 to be what it was in 2006 > or the years before that. > > I would type a lot more but my hands are hurting. > > Best, > > Bright > > > Sorry to add temporary fuel to the fire. > > > > I've never ever had a problem with Susan. EVER! > > > > I want her gone. This place is a fucking joke with her > > here. maybe she's home among the idiots! Jim fan's used > > to stick out as being highly intelligent - We're down to > > the fucking bottom of the barrel here - or at least it > > appears that way when the smart people stoop to Susan's > > level! > > > > The best thing would be to remove her & let us get back to > > the way things never used to be: civilized and fun. > > > > _jsteindan | |
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