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Vin 01:22 pm UTC 03/25/08 |
| In reply to: | They should all burn! - The_Count 12:21 am UTC 03/25/08 |
| "Racist vitriol?" Come on, man, you're on this board, you can't be a somnambulist lemming. WHAT racist vitriol? I didn't hear one sentence of the guy saying any one race was better or worse than another. I didn't hear him say white people should be dragged from their homes and lynched. He's down on the U.S. government, clearly. But so what? This country was founded on people being down on their government, and the main purpose of the first amendment is to make sure people have the right to openly criticize the government. He's down on racism, but so what? Should he be UP on it? He doesn't hold with nuking Japanese fishing villages. What a prick! He acknowledges that Barack Obama has been a young black man in his lifetime, and Hilary Clinton hasn't. SO???? The news media has spun this thing so far to the Right its ridiculous, presented it in a context designed only to send the ignorant running from Obama without so much as two seconds of independent thought on the larger issues behind the soundbytes. And I can only guess the "Liberal Media" was too afraid of being further mocked on "Saturday Night Live" for its Probama stance to dare take a more even-keeled approach to the story. But whatever. Maybe McCain IS the way to go. What the fuck do I know? > I see this political race being interesting at the very > least. As usual, whoever I think I want in the beginning > ends up disappointing me. For overall competetnce I really > wanted Bill Richardson. Unfortunately, he never caught on. > So next, I'm looking at Obama, mainly because with McCain > we're looking at evenm more of a Bush presidency and > Hillary is just a completely untrustworthy person. So what > happens? Pastorgate. Frankly, I liked Obama up to this. I > have to ask myself, could anyone really subject themselves > to the kind of vituperation and racist vitriol this > "Rverend" Wright spews as if he were auditioning for entry > into the Neo Nazi Party for twenty years and not be > affected? I think not. And it's really a shame, at least > for me because now I am just going to sit out this race. > They can all go to Hell. > > Rich K > > > You think Obama lied? I don't see it. His initial > > response was that he hadn't personally heard the pastor's > > comments - meaning the SPECIFIC comments - that were being > > run ad nauseum on every cable news channel. He did say > > he'd heard about one or two of them second hand. It was a > > bit of a fudge, yes, but I wouldn't call it a lie. He > > never said he hadn't heard the pastor make controversial > > comments before, just not comments as offensive as the > > ones which were the subject of the immediate scrutiny. > > > > I give him a pass because he was on the hotseat of a > > firestorm with minimal time to assess the situation - he'd > > been in session in the senate all day the day the story > > broke huge. > > > > I think his explanation in the proper speech he gave was > > much more satisfactory. > > > > I also wonder, really, just how often Obama even went to > > church, "intermittently." > > > > Lord knows, as a lapsed Catholic, when I did go to Church, > > or when I occasionally find myself there, I hear things I > > don't agree with. And as Bill Maher said, why didn't > > Obama do what everybody else does when they hear their > > priest say something they disagree with at Church: get up > > and punch the fucker in the face? > > > > > I agree. Furthermore, I think Obama looks particularly > > > attractive because in the months preceding the speech he > > > has seemed bored or frustrated by race as a focus of > > > attention within his party. That's in stark contrast to > > > almost every other Democratic African-American politician > > > or pundit you can think of. The rank and file, working > > > white male labor union guys listen to Al Sharpton and > > > Jessie Jackson focus on and talk endlessly about race, > > > racism, and racial issues, and they hear something that > > > doesn't gel with their own beliefs. It kinda sounds > > > racist to them. Obama on the other hand triangulates on > > > race. He knows he isn't going to loose the > > > African-American vote, so he speaks and communicates about > > > race embodying the values of a middle-class white guy. > > > > > > Here's a scenario I can still see: Obama goes into the > > > convention with a lead in delegates but a lot of that > > > comes from various smaller states like Iowa and Nevada > > > where he won in caucauses. Hillary, leads in the popular > > > votes by a significant margin even if you don't count > > > Michigan and Florida. Most party leaders have been saying > > > they'll follow the "will of the people." In national > > > polls, that's Obama. In the number of popular votes cast, > > > that's Hillary. Obama will counter that the standard > > > should be who has the most delegates even if there is no > > > lock, which is what the media has been pushing for weeks. > > > It's a tough call. > > > > > > Despite the polls, either Hillary or Obama should easily > > > beat McCain, whose own party may not be able to motivate > > > themselves to vote for a guy many of them disagree with > > > and detest. But, if Hillary wins the nomination at the > > > convention, the democrats will pay $50 million dollars for > > > an August show that the media will piss all over. Young > > > democrats, male democrats, and black democrats may just > > > stay home or vote for Ralph Nader in protest. Ultimately, > > > McCain could really benefit from Hillary winning the > > > nomination even though she should be the much, much > > > stronger general election candidate. > > > > > > The huge lovefest for Obama means that he is still > > > untested and unvetted. Clinton's campaign can't even > > > really criticize him without being labelled racist within > > > their own party. And Obama sucks to the point of comedy > > > at answering serious questions about a background that > > > does not indicate he really is much of a color-blind > > > democratic Messiah. Pastorgate wasn't just interesting > > > because Obama's minister is a total racist or that > > > underneath the public persona Obama may be just another Al > > > Sharpton; it's interesting because it shows Obama to be a > > > liar; it's interesting because he publicly went forward > > > with a clumsy and false statement that although he's known > > > the reverend and attended the church for years, he's never > > > heard similar views from the reverend -- given the > > > minister quotes that other church-goers have provided the > > > media from the years that Obama intermittently attend, > > > Obama is either insipid beyond belief or he's lying. And > > > while the Democratic party will give him a pass on lying > > > openly about his past, the Republican party in the general > > > election will not. Nobody really knows anything about > > > Obama. We've been told that he cut his teeth in Illinois > > > politics, but that he remained pure. Yeah, right. We're > > > told that he was a poor black kind growing up who somehow > > > had pockets full of drugs, which he sometime sampled, but > > > that he never sold those drugs. Yeah, right. Republicans > > > will be supplying the documents, witnesses, and facts that > > > Hillary wishes she could on the eve of the general > > > election. > > > > > > Republicans will have no reservations about hitting Obama > > > because they will know they can win the presidency even > > > with the democratic candidate capturing 90 percent of the > > > African-American vote, something that both Kerry and Gore > > > delivered and lost with. If Hillary captured 90 percent > > > of the female vote in the general election, she wins in a > > > landslide. Ultimately, while Hillary has been a tested > > > winner carrying tons of baggage and negatives, the > > > love-fest on Obama may lead Democrats to nominate him even > > > though they have every reason to believe that once the > > > love-fest ends, he will crumble. > > > > > > -=John Galt=- > > > > > > > > > > For anybody who cares about the Steel Cage Death Match > > > > that is the Democratic presidential race here in the > > > > States, check out the text of Barack Obama's speech that > > > > he gave this morning on the issue of racial tension in > > > > America and the recent controversy over remarks made by > > > > Barack's former pastor. > > > > > > > > I'm semi-addicted to this real-life reality contest, and I > > > > read this speech and thought, "Obama fucking nailed it." > > > > If you've been following "Pastorgate" the past few days, > > > > you know Obama was in serious trouble. Doubtless he's > > > > lost some white voters over this situation, but still, > > > > reading the speech, I think he did outstanding damage > > > > control and turned a a huge negative into, maybe, a huge > > > > positive, taking the opportunity to make an inspiring, > > > > eloquent, RATIONALE speech on a topic that transcends > > > > standard-fare campaign stumping. Something Hillary > > > > Clinton won't be able to match without looking the fool: > > > > "Oh, um, by the way, I believe racism is bad, too. And my > > > > healthcare plan is better. Call me at 3:00am. We'll > > > > talk." | |
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