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John_Galt (g_brandon_martin@ureach.com) 01:42 am UTC 11/07/08 |
| In reply to: | re: NJC: Congratulations to Barack Obama! - Vin 02:59 pm UTC 11/05/08 |
| Vin, You are correct that the progressive income tax is socialistic and that stimulus plans designed to stimulate consumer spending are probably socialistic in their effect. Both are immoral and ineffective, and both have been going on here for a long time. The difference between a socialist like Obama and a weakling like Bush is that the former approves of these longstanding mistakes while the later is just too weak to prevent them from continuing. I worked on the Hill in 2001 and there was still some dwindling hope that Republicans would replace the progressive income tax with either a Flat Tax or a National Sales Tax. Even with a majority in the House, such dreams of change were anathema to just about any Democrats. Last year's stimulus checks were undoubtedly not Bush's preferred result, either. If the Republicans couldn't get what they wanted done with a small, but significant, advantage in the House during the early years of the century, Bush would have no chance of legislation in the form he'd like to see landing on his desk in the last two years with Democratic majorities in both houses. Remember, the Constitution will not allow the President to present himself with legislation to approve and execute. Most of the Left in the House love power more than they believe that more beauracracy and redistrition will help the poor. The failures of programs they believed in their youth would bring about a better world has tempered their Socialist glee. They preach class warfare, but understand there are realistic limitations to state action. I'm not sure what Obama believes because the primary candidate and the general election candidate don't resemble each other much and before that he was barely a legislator and never had a landmark legislative acheivment. But, when Republicans talk about Obama being a "socialist," I think what they mean is that unlike Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi, Obama is a true believer in the superiority of the state to human liberty in almost every sphere. Judging from the lovefest anti-american totalitarian socialists like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro have been showing Obama, Republicans may have been justified in their concerns. -=John Galt=- > Obama may have some socialist leanings, but not for his > tax policy proposals. Or "spreading the wealth." > > The U.S. already has a graduated income tax system under > which people who make more money pay higher tax rates. If > that is a socialist principle then it is one that has been > in place here for a long time. Obama is proposing a > difference in degree, not in principle. > > And oddly enough, what was the Republican's big economic > booster plan this past year? Stimulus checks? They gave > an extra tax refund to people under the theory that, if > they had more money in their pockets, they would spend it > and that would help boost the economy. Oh, and if you > made over a certain amount of money, you did not get a > stimulus check. Sounds a bit like "spreading the wealth" > to middle and lower class citizens, doesn't it? As a > Republican-espoused economic panacea, no less. And I > didn't notice any complaints about it being a "Socialist" > tactic, either. > > > > So which is it? Socialism or communism? Not that it > > matters, since he doesn't want either. In fact, the > > socialism that Bush has been giving us is the very thing > > that got him elected! > > > > > What will happen is that in 6-12 months you will all see > > > all the socialist policies he has tried to implement, that > > > our economy will worsen if he implements his plans and > > > that his foreign policies will be dangerous. And the poor > > > welfare people who voted for him because "I won't have to > > > worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage > > > because he'll take care of me." will be surprised that > > > communism doesn't work in the US any better than it did in > > > the rest of the world. You'll all see... and just like > > > Jim you'll all say "Everything that Smeg said was the > > > truth." | |
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