You're right, but neither of those has anything to do with Christ.
There's a bit of an hypocrisy when it comes to Christmas, because the main we reason we celebrate it (birth of Jesus) is the last person we think of.
> It's just that I've never known of anyone to put up a
> Holiday tree or get presents from Father Holiday.
>
> >
> >
> > > > It shouldn't offend anyone, it's just not everyone
> > > > celebrates/likes Christmas but most people recognise it as
> > > > a holida that's all :)
> > >
> > > If they don't like Christmas then they're probably not
> > > going to have a very happy holiday anyway so there's
> > > probably no point wishing them one!
> > >
> > > (After all, there's rather a lot of Christmas about on
> > > this particular holiday so it's not like they can avoid
> > > it!)
> >
> > Since Christmas in the traditional sense is very rarely
> > celebrated and most people are only interested in the
> > commercial aspects of it, then it really is only a holiday
> > with a fancy name. And if we want to get into the nitty
> > gritty of it, Jesus wasn't born on 25th December anyway,
> > that date was stolen from either, Attis (Roman God),
> > Dionysus (Greek God), Osiris (Egyptian God) or Mithra
> > (Persian God), in fact most of Christian celebrations are
> > stolen from other religions, and Jesus was a jew.
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