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Daniel 02:00 pm UTC 04/13/09 |
| In reply to: | re: Celine Dion - Scaramouche 06:07 pm UTC 04/10/09 |
| An addition to this: Celine Dion told in a book the recent way the collab between Steinman and Celine and her husband broke down was due to the fact that Steinman always was too like. Celine and Sony booked studio time from the morning and they waited all day for Steinman to show up. Eventually Steinman showed up in the Studio late in the evenings and this after awhile pissed Celine and her husband off that they decided to leave "IS NOTHING SACRED" off the album even though Celine really loved the song. And there were also some issues the Sony team of prouducers tried to remix the stuff that Steinman and Rinkoff that done...Nobody was happy with the results including Celine and Steinman.... > > Why Jim got involved with her is puzzling. I think most of > > it was because at one point, Phil Spectre was going to be > > involved and I think Jim would do anything to work with > > his idol. Wouldn't anyone? > > Phil Spector actually started what became the 'Falling > Into You' album and I think he was going to produce the > whole thing. > > They actually got three tracks completed (including the > old, but great Spector song 'Is This What I Get For Loving > You') but things fell apart (I don't think her husband > liked Spector and the way he was getting her to do > hundreds of takes into the small hours). Sopector then > kept the master tapes (as he had paid for the studio time) > and I think he must still have them. > > I would suggest Celine's husband/manager may have > approached Jim as a substitute for the Spector-style? > > Jim has said in an interview that he always wanted to work > with Celine after hearing her Unison album, so presumably > jumped at the chance. > > I really like Jim's production on the album, especially > 'Call The Man'. > > I think if Celine and her husband hadn't have got greedy > regarding songwriting publishing, Jim would have done more > work on her next album, in addition to 'Is Nothing Sacred' > which was 'rejected' (ie - Jim wouldn't agree to taking a > cut on publishing royalties). > > > > > > > I notice that quite a few people on the board are being > > > negative about Celine Dion. It must be because she covered > > > IACBTMN. I can think of no other reason for her to be > > > criticised in this forum. > > > > > > When I was being critical of Steve Steinman, saying that > > > it was unjust for him to get away with exploiting Jim's > > > music and name without giving Jim a penny, Pudding very > > > wisely said that anything bringing Jim's music to a wider > > > audience is just. > > > > > > I think Pudding was correct. Even if I don't like Steve > > > Steinman and Bat Out Of Hell The Symphony, he is at least > > > drawing people's attention to Jim's music. > > > > > > The same is true for Celine Dion. She had a massive hit > > > with IACBTMN. She drew attention to Jim's music amongst a > > > crowd who probably didn't know much about all the great > > > Steinman classics. > > > > > > When Celine played a big concert in London, London's The > > > Evening Standard reviewed the gig (and The Standard is > > > London's most important show biz paper). > > > > > > The music critic said that most of Celine's songs were > > > boring and written by hacks (I think one the hacks > > > mentioned was Dianne Warren). But he said that the concert > > > came to life when she sang IACBTMN "by the genius Jim > > > Steinman". > > > > > > If Celine had not covered the song, the music critic > > > wouldn't have been able to tell his readers that Jim is a > > > genius. Also, the song itself would probably not be nearly > > > as famous as it is now. As Pudding wisely said, anything > > > that brings Jim's music to a wider audience is just. > > > > > > People often wonder if Jim will be working with Meat or > > > Bonnie again. I guess because they are the two performers > > > who really knew how to interpret and phrase Jim's > > > wonderful melodies and lyrics. > > > > > > But it would do Jim no harm to have another hit with > > > Celine. I don't think she would do WPOMBHTM because it's > > > not really suitable for her. But surely there must be > > > another Jim song that would suit her. Anything for a gold > > > record. | |
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