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re: Ted Neeley - Jesus Christ Superstar

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rockfenris2005 04:41 am UTC 11/07/10
In reply to: re: Ted Neeley - Jesus Christ Superstar - steven_stuart 03:12 am UTC 11/07/10



> > It's a shame then that Jim didn't work with Ted on an
> > album. You'd think Mr Stigwood would have had the
> > initiative to suggest that. And it seems like such a
> > likely combination. After all, Ted's "Gethsemane" is as
> > soaring as Meat's "For crying out loud".
>
> This is true. Ted's "Gethsemane" is fantastic.
>
> > Yes, that's correct, and sometimes they would combine it
> > with "Godspell" or religious hymns so that they couldn't
> > be sued or shut down. It was because of these amateur
> > productions that Stigwood eventually opened the tour.
>
> Oh. Several interesting pieces of historical information.
>
> > Some might say that it's wrong to compare them, but you
> > can't help it when it's the same composer. You wish that
> > he had done more rock musicals. "Whistle" was good.
>
> Yes. Although I get the impression that you don't think
> "Whistle" was nearly as good as it could have been.

Oh, I love it. The music and the lyrics are fantastic. "A kiss is a terrible thing to waste", to me, is more moving than anything in "The Phantom of the Opera". It's more moving than anything in "Evita", dare I say it, and that score is really something.
But...But...The book is the weakest link. They shouldn't even have written one. It should have been a through sung piece the way "Superstar" was, and "Evita", "Les Miserables", and "Miss Saigon". You would not have all these people tinkering with it. It'd be just like a CD that people who bought "Tommy" and "American Idiot" would buy and it would be exactly what you hear up onstage with, maybe, a few alterations over time.

"Superstar" is perfect, but I do not think it would have been the same experience as it has been all these years if they'd written a book. They'd always be tinkering around with it, surely?

Just my thoughts.
>
> > > Did your hero Michael Kamen do the arrangements for both
> > > the album and the film? I know he worked on the film. I
> > > will be very interested to see what they have done with
> > > "The Wall" for the new arena show. Jim's friends Marc
> > > Brickman and Gerald Scarfe are both working on it.
> >
> > Yes, he worked on both the album and the film. And then he
> > did "The Final Cut" which was the last album with Roger,
> > and the only album Rick Wright didn't play on. He had left
> > during the making of "The Wall" although he returned
> > briefly for the tour on a salary (He actually made more
> > money than the other members.)
> > "The Final Cut" is my least favourite Pink Floyd
> > recording, but it's interesting to hear the songs that
> > never made it to "The Wall" album. I think "The Final Cut"
> > is as beautiful if not more moving than "Nobody Home" and
> > "Comfortably Numb", and having said that I am now going to
> > get blasted into smithereens by some.
>
> I liked "Not Now John". Apparenlty its the only song on
> "The Final Cut" which is sung by David Gilmour. I actually
> think he is a better singer than Roger Waters. To me the
> performance at Live 8 proved that.

"The Post War Dream", "The Gunner's Dream", "The Fletcher Memorial Home" and "The Final Cut" are the most moving bits for me. "The Final Cut" should have been on "The Wall" album. It shows a more sincere side to the breakdown in Pink's marriage, and we actually see that he had kids.

I'm not sure what to make of the decision to include "When the tigers broke free" on the re-release though. I know it was supposed to have been part of "The Final Cut", when it was originally going to be something resembling a soundtrack release of the film. But I don't know...
>
> I think Michael Kamen prefered Gilmour. Have you ever seen
> the tape of the wonderful concert he and Gilmour did
> together at The South Bank in London? Michael was on
> piano.

I haven't seen that, no. I should.
>
> > We'll never know. But I do think it's interesting that
> > there are more flaws in the ALW shows without Tim than
> > there are with the ALW shows with Tim. And Richard Stilgoe
> > is no Tim Rice, though Charles Hart is quite good. I love
> > his use of wordplay in "Phantom of the Opera". He did
> > nicely.
> > Jim's the best lyricist Andrew has worked with since Tim
> > though, without a doubt in my mind. Ben Elton and Glenn
> > Slater are the worst.
>
> I agree. Well said.

I meant to say his use of alliteration, not wordplay. "Angel of Music, Guide and Guardian, Grant to me YOUR GLORy..." And do you see the little rhyme with Your/Glory? I love how he did that. And it's great for the singer too. He should have been hired for "Love Never Dies" all along.

>
> > By all means, come to my address, and
> > threaten to paint my house green and write BUM! in big
> > glowing red letters. But you can pay for the damages. And
> > I promise you I won't ask you to sign "Midnight at the
> > Lost and Found".
>
> Ha ha. That's very funny.
>


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