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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 10:25 pm UTC 04/16/11 |
| In reply to: | re: The demos of Jim singing - WarioLoaf 09:27 pm UTC 04/16/11 |
| I dont really see how you can. Of course Meats involvement should be praised. But he is not and never has been a creative force behind Bat Out of Hell, which in the end, is where the praise should be mostly directed. > All I have to say to that is "each of their own". > > Dont agree with the easement of meat being the guest but > its fine. I can see how one would see it like that > > > Your right, it is Meats album, in the same sense its > > Rory's album, and Ellen's. Fact is, Meat was just another > > performer on that album taking orders and saying yes to > > anything Jim or Todd said. I recall the story of when Meat > > came out of "his little corner" and said that the album > > should have an Motown feel, Todd retorted by sending him > > back to the corner and telling him to stay that while he > > and Todd sent him back to hos corner while he and Jim made > > the album. Meat helped sell the album with the concerts, > > and that's all fair enough, but on the album he was just > > one of many performers on it that got heard the most. > > > > Bat 3 may sold well. But the reception it got is arguably > > the worst Meat has ever got and I think is part of the > > reasons he has to appear on trash like celebrity > > apprentice. The Steinman fans, which occupy a good part of > > his own fan base, turned on him. Leaving Hang Cool Teddy > > Bear with a steep fall out of the charts. > > > > I enjoyed Teddy Bear. But it was generic sounding, > > certainly in Lyrical terms, and felt like watching Meat in > > a Pop Flick when he used to star in films by Orson > > Welles. > > > > Jim's music is special because of Jim himself. Meat, like > > it or not, is inconsequential to the whole thing. Its > > Jim's words and lyrics that bring the emotion out of a > > performer, hats why people tend to rate his Steinman > > collaboration far and away above his other work. > > > > Perhaps Bat shouldn't have sold as well if Jim sang it > > himself, but I think there's a strong possibility that it > > would have. > > > > I'm not Anti Loaf, Surfs up far surpasses the original > > version in my opinion, but again, this is down to > > production and arrangements which bring out the most of > > the song, which in turn gets the most out of Meat. > > > > I dont hate Meat, what I dont like is how he's credited > > for Bat and its conception. Bat out of hell was Jim's > > album with his songs and did everything on it but sing > > (which he should have done anyway) now days. Meat was a > > guest on the album in my opinion, who got the credit that > > Jim deserves. Hoping the Musical rectifies that. > > > > > > > > . > man oh man your previous post and this one make me > > want to > > > scream. but its your opinion so I could care less. > > > > > > To me, I love bad attitude and BBIS. I rank them second > > > and third only after Bat 2. To me, meat is the force > > > behind BOOH. > > > > > > BOOH is as much Meat's album as its Jim's album. Jim wrote > > > it and Meat sang it. Bat would never of worked without > > > Meat. > > > > > > Face it, Bat 3 went platinum and was a successful album. > > > would've been better with Jim's production, but Meat made > > > it work without Jim. Bat 3 wouldn't of worked without > > > Meat. > > > > > > This whole anti-loaf attitude I hate, but its an opinion > > > that must be acknowledged. > > > > > > Meat's tried to separate himself from Jim's song style on > > > HCTB and you all criticize him for it not sounding like a > > > Bat record. Face it, the album imo kicks ass. and is far > > > superior to any steinman album released without Meat's > > > involvement. > > > > > > I am not anti-steinman. I just prefer Meat's work. > > > > > > Gotta say this though, this is a fun debate. > > > > > > > > > > You could argue that Jim copied Meat, but that argument > > > > would be very short and end with me turning with me in my > > > > yet unburied grave!. Jim didn't copy another performer > > > > when he went to sing his own songs, what sense does that > > > > make. Its been well documented that Jim taught Meat to > > > > sing his songs. I've no doubt that Meat put his own spin > > > > into the performance, but the majority of it is Jim's > > > > influence. Not discounting Meats efforts, its just Jim for > > > > me, is better, more emotion, more conviction and I believe > > > > what he's singing about 100 percent of the time. With > > > > Meat, for the reasons expressed before, its only half 50 > > > > percent. > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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