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re: A Song is a Terrible Thing to Waste

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rockfenris2005 02:34 pm UTC 05/07/21
In reply to: re: A Song is a Terrible Thing to Waste - Evan 10:03 am UTC 05/07/21


I saw it mentioned in one of the Steinman groups on social media one day. Someone just mentioned this title and that it was a song from the "Cry Baby" demos. It's based on at least part of the music from "Dead Ringer for Love", from what I understand. "Cry Baby" did happen, but Jim had nothing to do with it. I don't know why it didn't work out. Maybe that was when around the time he got sick? Don't know?

> This is simply an amazing list! Iím most interested in
> what couldíve been with the Cry Baby musical. Do you know
> the song proposed? The middle finger one you mentioned is
> completely new to me. How were you able to find that?
>
> Also, do you think Jimís health prevented him from
> actually securing the gig or could it have been another
> Batman situation where they passed due to the failure of
> dance of the vampires?
>
> > Let's have a look at Jim's recycling. "I've written one
> > song in my life but it's full of lots of movements and
> > about 200 hours long."
> >
> > The Dream Engine (1969)
> >
> > 1. The Invocation and Formation of the Tribe (Come in the
> > Night) --- the verses become 'Turn around bright eyes' in
> > 'Total Eclipse of the Heart'.
> >
> > 2. Who Needs the Young? --- the music for the choruses
> > reappear in the crypt scene from 'Tanz der Vampire'.
> >
> > 3. Hymn to Fire (When Your City's Burning) --- the intro
> > is 'The Storm' from 'Bad for Good'. Much of this music
> > also appears in the 'Instrumental' from 'Kid Champion'.
> >
> > 4. Entr'acte --- the first section becomes the intro for
> > 'Stark Raving Love', the second section is the music from
> > 'Happy Ending' Jim's first released song, and the last
> > section is the music for the second half of 'Bad for
> > Good'.
> >
> > 5. Mother River Song --- this was based on 'Song of the
> > Ganges River' from 'A Man's A Man', the first score Jim
> > wrote at Amherst in 1968. The middle section becomes the
> > dance music for 'Give me the Simple Life' from 'More Than
> > You Deserve'.
> >
> > 6. Song of the Dream Engine (Hear the Screams) --- see the
> > last section of 4. Entr'acte.
> >
> > 7. The Revolution in Music --- reappears as 'The
> > Annihilation' in 'Neverland'.
> >
> > The Good Woman of Setzuan (1971)
> >
> > 8. The Water Seller Song --- the intro music is reused as
> > the beginning of 'City Night' from 'Neverland'
> >
> > 9. Smoke Song --- the music for the choruses is 'And I
> > need all the love I can get' from Jim and Andrew
> > Eldritch's 'More'
> >
> > 10. Song of the Gods --- the music becomes 'Great Boleros
> > of Fire' and then 'Eternity' from 'Tanz der Vampire'.
> >
> > More Than You Deserve (1973):
> >
> > 11. Give me the Simple Life --- see 5. Mother River Song.
> >
> > 12. Could she be the One? --- the music of the middle
> > section is 'Souvenirs', a demo from this musical later
> > recorded on 'Braver Than We Are'.
> >
> > 13. Come With Me... We Know Love --- the music reappears
> > in 'At the Castle' from 'Tanz der Vampire'. Fragments of
> > the music also appear in 'For Crying Out Loud', 'Left in
> > the Dark', 'The Future Ain't What it Used to Be' and
> > 'Carpe Noctem'.
> >
> > 14. Song of the City of Hope --- the music becomes 'Lost
> > Boys and Golden Girls'. The music also appears in the film
> > score for 'A Small Circle of Friends' and Rory's demo of
> > 'Vaults of Heaven (Her Hymn)'.
> >
> > 15. Go, Go, Go Guerrillas --- parts of the music are
> > reused in 'Wonderful Toys' from 'Batman'.
> >
> > 16. If Only --- the title is reused for 'Whistle down the
> > Wind'. The music for the choruses is the 'Carpe Noctem'
> > lines in 'Carpe Noctem'.
> >
> > 17. Song of the Golden Egg --- similar to parts of the
> > pre-chorus from 'Nocturnally Yours' in 'The Confidence
> > Man', the chorus music also turns up in 'God has Left the
> > Building' from 'Dance of the Vampires'.
> >
> > Rhinegold (1973)
> >
> > 18. Godz --- the first section becomes the intro for 'All
> > Revved Up' in 'Neverland'. Part of these lyrics wind up in
> > 'Tonight is What it Means to be Young'.
> >
> > 19. Chinkachain --- much of the music reappears in the Kid
> > Champion 'Instrumental' as well as 'The Hunt' from
> > 'Neverland'. It also appears in the instrumental for
> > 'Graveyard Shift' from 'Batman'.
> >
> > 20. Who'd do the Dirty? --- some of the music appears in
> > the Kid Champion 'Instrumental'.
> >
> > 21. Master of the Earth --- the middle section contains
> > music that appeared in 'The Hunt' as well as 'Pain
> > Humbles' in 'The Confidence Man', 'Catwoman's Song' in
> > 'Batman' and the second part of 'The Storm'.
> >
> > 22. Hushabye --- the music is very similar to the first
> > section of 'Come With Me... We Know Love'.
> >
> > 23. Rainbow --- this entire song became half of 'Song of
> > the City of Hope' in the main production of 'More Than You
> > Deserve'. It sounds like Meat Loaf is singing backing
> > vocals on the demo. Also, see 14. Song of the City of
> > Hope.
> >
> > Yvonne Elliman: Food of Love (1973)
> >
> > 24. Happy Ending --- see 4. Entr'acte.
> >
> > Bloodshot Wine (1975)
> >
> > 25. Private of Privates --- the intro is similar to 'Death
> > is Such an Odd Thing' from 'Tanz der Vampire'. The music
> > for the last section appears again in 'All Revved Up' in
> > 'Neverland' and even the middle section of 'Holding out
> > for a Hero'.
> >
> > The Confidence Man (1977)
> >
> > 26. New Orleans is Comin' to Me --- the music becomes 'The
> > Future Ain't What it Used to Be' from Pandora's Box:
> > Original Sin (1989). Also, see 13. Come With Me...
> >
> > 27. Melville's Theme --- the music is all of the verses
> > from 'It Just Won't Quit'.
> >
> > 28. Edging into Darkness --- the music for the first
> > section is 'Hear the Screams' from 'Dream Engine' which
> > becomes the music for the second part of 'Bad for Good',
> > and later 'Graveyard Shift' from 'Batman'. Music for the
> > second section sounds like the chorus to 'Bat out of
> > Hell'. The last section is the riff of 'Making Love out of
> > Nothing at All'. Jim came up with that at Amherst.
> >
> > 29. Nocturnally Yours --- the music for the opening and
> > all of the verses reappears in the film score for 'A Small
> > Circle of Friends'.
> >
> > 30. Pain Humbles --- see 21. Master of the Earth.
> >
> > 31. Sanctimonious Sambo --- the intro sounds like 'I'm
> > Gonna Love her for Both of Us' from Dead Ringer (1981).
> >
> > 32. Milady --- the music reappears in 'A Small Circle of
> > Friends' and 'Tanz der Vampire' as 'For Sarah'. It was
> > also used in an unreleased song Jim wrote called 'Vaults
> > of Heaven' (which has the same title as a song from
> > 'Whistle down the Wind'.)
> >
> > 33. Something of this Masquerade May Follow --- the intro
> > music is the 'Dead Ringer' intro for 'More Than You
> > Deserve', which is reused in 'The Future Ain't What it
> > Used to Be'. The music for the choruses becomes the chorus
> > for 'Braver Than We Are' (but only half of it.) That music
> > was originally a song from Jim's score for a musical
> > called 'Little Friend from Front Street' (I know very
> > little about this one but Barry's mother was the director
> > from memory).
> >
> > Neverland (1977):
> >
> > 34. City Night --- the music reappears in 'At the Castle'
> > from 'Tanz der Vampire'. It also appeared in the Kid
> > Champion 'Instrumental'.
> >
> > 35. Dance in my Pants --- this is the same song from 'Bad
> > for Good', but it actually had some different lyrics
> > (Barry said this).
> >
> > Meat Loaf: Bat out of Hell (1977)
> >
> > 36. You Took the Words Right out of my Mouth (Hot Summer
> > Night) --- the music for "It was a hot summer night..." is
> > also part of the choruses for 'Read 'em and Weep'.
> >
> > 37. Two out of Three Ain't Bad --- parts of this is
> > supposed to be the middle section of 'Lost Boys and Golden
> > Girls'. I've never tried it.
> >
> > 38. For Crying out Loud --- see 13. Come With Me... Jim
> > reused the verses in one of the versions of his song 'A
> > Kiss is a Terrible Thing to Waste'.
> >
> > Michael Simmons: Delta House Theme (1979)
> >
> > 39. Delta House --- the music becomes 'Dead Ringer for
> > Love', and was also used in one of the songs from the
> > 'Cry-Baby' demos called 'I Don't Have Enough Middle
> > Fingers for You'.
> >
> > Jim Steinman: Bad for Good (1981)
> >
> > 40. Stark Raving Love --- the music originally comes from
> > 'Dream Engine' Entr'acte. The riff is later reused for
> > 'Holding out for a Hero'.
> >
> > 41. Out of the Frying Pan (And Into the Fire) --- the riff
> > is reused in one of the versions of 'A Kiss is a Terrible
> > Thing to Waste' and you can hear it on both Rory's demo
> > and the Everly Brothers version which was released in
> > 2005.
> >
> > 42. Surf's up --- the intro becomes the instrumental for
> > 'The Future Ain't What it Used to Be'. The music behind
> > the verses becomes 'Objects in the Rear View Mirror' from
> > Bat out of Hell II.
> >
> > 43. Left in the Dark --- much of the music comes from
> > Jim's earlier song 'Souvenirs'. See 13. Come With Me...
> >
> > Meat Loaf: Dead Ringer (1981)
> >
> > 44. I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back --- the very last
> > verses are similar to the climax of 'Confession of a
> > Vampire' from Tanz.
> >
> > Bonnie Tyler: Faster Than the Speed of Night (1983)
> >
> > 45. Faster Than the Speed of Night --- Holly's wail at the
> > end is the same one Rory does on the demo for 'I'm Gonna
> > Love Her' from Dead Ringer.
> >
> > Streets of Fire (1984)
> >
> > 46. Nowhere Fast --- the riff is from 'The Storm'. The
> > last section quotes 'God speed' from 'Bad for Good' which
> > also turns up in 'Graveyard Shift' from Batman.
> >
> > 47. Tonight is What it Means to be Young --- the music and
> > some of the lyrics becomes 'Dance of the Vampires' from
> > 'Tanz'.
> >
> > The Wrestling Album (1985)
> >
> > 48. Hulk Hogan's Theme --- the music and the track is
> > 'Ravishing' from Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire.
> >
> > Bonnie Tyler: Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire (1986)
> >
> > 49. Loving You's a Dirty Job (But Somebody's Gotta do it)
> > --- the music for the song was built around a theme Jim
> > wrote for 'A Small Circle of Friends'.
> >
> > 50. Rebel Without a Clue --- the intro is similar to 'Took
> > the Words'. Fragments of the music reappeared in one of
> > the versions of 'A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to Waste'. A
> > variation on some of the lyrics appeared in another
> > version of 'A Kiss'. Jim was trying to reuse this song for
> > some reason.
> >
> > The Everly Brothers: Some Hearts sessions (1987)
> >
> > 51. A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to Waste --- see 41. Out of
> > the Frying Pan. The title is reused for 'Whistle down the
> > Wind'. Another version of this song was recorded as a demo
> > by Gina Taylor where the verses are completely rewritten,
> > and see 50. Rebel Without a Clue.
> >
> > Pandora's Box: Original Sin (1989)
> >
> > 52. Original Sin --- the music is reused in 'God is Dead'
> > from 'Tanz'. It's a major theme in the score.
> >
> > 53. Safe Sex --- the music behind 'We'll never be as young
> > as this...' reappears in 'What Part of my Body Hurts the
> > Most?'
> >
> > 54. The Opening of the Box --- it's literally the second
> > part of 'The Storm', same recording.
> >
> > The Sisters of Mercy: Vision Thing (1990)
> >
> > 55. More --- the chorus is reused in 'Catwoman's Song'
> > from Batman.
> >
> > Bat out of Hell II: Back into Hell (1993)
> >
> > 56. I'd do Anything for Love (But I Won't do That) ---
> > this was a line Jim said ten years earlier in a song for
> > Bonnie Tyler called 'Getting so Excited'.
> >
> > 57. Objects in the Rear View Mirror --- the music becomes
> > 'Confession of a Vampire' from Tanz.
> >
> > 58. Everything Louder than Everything Else --- this is
> > built around the opening music from 'Nowhere Fast', but
> > not the riff part from 'The Storm'.
> >
> > 59. Good Girls go to Heaven (Bad Girls go Everywhere) ---
> > the new riff for this version reappears in 'Carpe
> > Noctem'.
> >
> > 60. Back into Hell --- see above.
> >
> > Whistle down the Wind (1996-98)
> >
> > 61. Vaults of Heaven --- the title is reused from an
> > unreleased Jim song.
> >
> > 62. Whistle down the Wind --- there are some lines from
> > 'The Future' in this, which also reappear in 'Cry to
> > Heaven'.
> >
> > 63. Tire Tracks and Broken Hearts --- the title is
> > developed from a line in 'Peel Out' from Dead Ringer.
> >
> > 64. If Only --- see 16. If Only.
> >
> > 65. A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to Waste --- see 51. A
> > Kiss...
> >
> > 66. The Soliloquy aka Unsettled Scores --- again, some
> > lines from 'The Future'.
> >
> > 67. Nature of the Beast --- the lyrics are similar to a
> > lyric Jim wrote for Bat out of Hell 2100 called 'In the
> > Underbelly of the Beast'.
> >
> > Celine Dion: Let's Talk About Love sessions (1997)
> >
> > 68. Is Nothing Sacred --- the music behind the verses is
> > reused in 'Angels Arise' and 'Cry to Heaven'.
> >
> > Batman (2000-02):
> >
> > 69. (Vespers) Angels Arise --- parts of this song are
> > developed into 'Angels Arise' from the American production
> > of 'Tanz'.
> >
> > 70. Graveyard Shift --- this is built around the music
> > from 'Hear the Screams', second half of 'Bad for Good'
> > etc.
> >
> > 71. In the Land of the Pig the Butcher is King --- the
> > chorus was a lyric in Jim's 1971 draft of 'Dream Engine'.
> >
> > Garbo (2002):
> >
> > 72. City of Black and White --- the music is built from a
> > theme from 'A Small Circle of Friends'.
> >
> > 73. Dark Night of the Soul --- this is a new song, but
> > with fragments of the middle section of 'Mother River
> > Song' and 'Nocturnally Yours'.
> >
> > Meat Loaf: Braver Than We Are (2016):
> >
> > 74. Speaking in Tongues --- a part of the music also
> > appears in 'The Future', the bit at the end of the
> > choruses.
> >


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