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re: Bat III

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steven_stuart 08:35 pm UTC 05/11/21
In reply to: re: Bat III - rockfenris2005 01:24 pm UTC 05/10/21

Ugh. Having writers who are not Jim on a BOOH album is sort of sacrilegious. Didn't Meat even try to fight against Desmond doing that?

> It's my understanding that Jim couldn't say anything
> negative while they were promoting the album. After that,
> when Meat was putting out "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" which was
> four years after, THAT'S when we started finding out that
> he was really unhappy with the whole thing, and he's been
> vocal about it more or less ever since. He even ended up
> saying as far as he was concerned, there was no Bat 3.
> There have been a few comments from producer Desmond Child
> as well, who said he had been unhappy working on the album
> too.
> In 2016, Jim referred to "Monster is Loose" (instead of
> "Bat III: The Monster is Loose") as that "damnable shit
> fest" on social media which was the only time I ever saw
> him talk about it like that publicly.
> Beyond that, I don't know or I don't remember.
> It probably was all about the managers. Poor Meat, because
> you can imagine the record company as soon as they get a
> whiff that Meat wants to make Bat III, imagine how much
> you'd want him to put something like that out, because of
> how much money you could make off it. It's this massive
> franchise. Meat under any circumstances couldn't just back
> out of a record deal, lightly, but then you put Bat III
> into the situation, and oh boy. I feel like he was stuck
> and there was nothing he could do really but to try and
> make the most of things and hope that they would work, but
> Jim was already not going to be involved, Desmond changed
> things that Meat wouldn't have done originally (he said
> there'd be eight songs and three other ones by
> non-writers, which I think is what he had in mind as
> opposed to what we actually got), and then Patti didn't
> get the big single duet. It was a mess.
> Thank God they did "Braver" together.
> > Did Jim agree not to say anything public as part of the
> > agreement that ended the lawsuits which gave Jim the right
> > to do a BOOH show and Meat the right to do a BOOH 3 album?
> > I seem to remember that Meat was the first one of the two
> > to start saying anything really negative about BOOH 3.
> > Although I could be wrong and maybe Ryan The Historian
> > could tell us exactly what happened as far as all of that
> > goes. When Jim died, Meat said that he and Jim never sued
> > each other. He said only their managers sued.
> >
> > > I remember based on the blog and messages here that
> > > Steinman had an order not to comment negatively on Bat 3
> > > (in public)
> > >
> > > Does anyone have his true (candid) opinions on the album?
> > >
> > > Not meaning to be insensitive. But the gossip in me has
> > > always felt that Jim did not do well being gagged.

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