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re: Had Jim been the lyricist for Phantom....

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steven_stuart 10:02 pm UTC 05/24/21
In reply to: re: Had Jim been the lyricist for Phantom.... - Evan 10:33 am UTC 05/24/21

Wow. Evan, that's a most interesting possibility you bring up. I have never thought of that. Jim writing the lyrics for the sung through Aspects Of Love. That show was so boring. As Ryan once brought up, they even sang lines like would you like a cup of tea. When it opened on Broadway, Frank Rich reviewed it saying: if only I could have paid to see just the set. Which was the one brilliant thing about it. By Phantom designer Maria Bjornson. But if Jim had written the Aspects lyrics it could have been a really cool fun show.

> You bring up a great point that I didnít really factor in,
> which is how would Phantom have been different? I didnít
> think of it from that perspective. Iím guessing Jim
> wouldíve wanted to go in a more gothic and darker route
> but I feel the structure for success wouldíve still been
> there. Jim wouldíve had no problem getting people to feel
> so many different kinds of emotion during the lyrics and
> Iím sure it wouldíve been a more entertaining show for my
> particular tastes.
> Itís interesting, though. The actual lyricist really
> didnít go on to this acclaimed career. Iím going to guess
> he made so much money from this show that he could afford
> to be picky with projects. So, for all I know, perhaps
> this wouldnít have had that gigantic of a change on Jimís
> career? The thing about Jim was he was always over the top
> in basically every regard but sometimes it came at the
> expense of a reputation people didnít want to deal with. I
> feel like if anything, Neverland wouldíve gotten produced
> much faster on some capacity. I guess itís inconceivable,
> though to think that tons of projects wouldíve fallen into
> his lap because of Phantom. I feel he still wouldíve made
> BOOH 2. Honestly, Iím beginning to think of anything,
> perhaps the biggest change wouldíve been a longer more
> prolific working relationship between Jim and Andrew Lloyd
> Webber. Perhaps Jim wouldíve been brought on board for
> Aspects of Love?
> > I guess Jim would have made it a very different kind of
> > show. The lyrics they ended up with were bland in
> > comparison to what Jim would have given them but they sort
> > of suited what Andrew and Cameron ended up trying to
> > achieve. At one point they were going to go for a much
> > more rocky show and Steve Harley from Cockney Rebel was
> > the Phantom. They even released a successful single and
> > video with him to promote the show. I wonder if Jim was
> > approached during this phase (I am not sure - hopefully
> > Ryan The Historian will know). It is always possible that
> > Jim would have been replaced the way Steve was replaced
> > when they decided to go in a different direction. But it
> > is interesting to wonder about what Jim's career might
> > have been like if he had written the lyrics for Phantom
> > and it had been massively successful. At first Andrew and
> > Cameron were just going to produce. Imagine if Jim had
> > written music and lyrics for Phantom. I am sure that would
> > have been a very interesting show. Probably I would have
> > prefered that show to what we got. And would there have
> > been a BOOH 2?
> >
> > > So hereís a what if. Itís well known Jim was originally
> > > sought out to write the lyrics for Phantom of the Opera
> > > but had to decline due to prior obligations. My question,
> > > how do you feel Jimís career wouldíve changed had he been
> > > able to write the lyrics for Phantom as initially
> > > intended?
> > >
> > > Now there are a lot of different dynamics at play here
> > > such as, would the musical still have been as successful?
> > > Letís say in this hypothetical situation itís still just
> > > as successful. How does it impact Jimís career? Instantly,
> > > I feel that some variation of Neverland/Bat out of Hell
> > > the Musical would have gotten produced much quicker.
> > > Another thing to ponder, does Jim still reunite with Meat
> > > for Bat II? Does this make Jim such a hot commodity that
> > > many other artists are seeking him out to collaborate
> > > with? Does Meat Loaf give interviews insisting many of the
> > > songs from Phantom were originally written for him (more
> > > of a comedic suggestion there.) What else can anyone think
> > > of?
> > >
> > > I understand there are those who may feel itís a little
> > > pointless to wonder about this, however I feel that as a
> > > Jim fan itís disappointing to know he couldíve been
> > > involved in the longest running musical in Broadway
> > > history and instead was involved with one of the shortest.
> > >

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