>
> > You lie,
>
> You lie about Richard O'Brien and Jim Steinman being the
> same person.
One more time: It is not a lie that Jim is the author of Rocky Horror using the psuedonym of Richard O'Brien. saying I'm lying is saying that Jim is lying. Jim is not lying. Richard Smith is lying, by assuming the role of Richard O'BRien as if he was the author. THis is fact. It is proven.
>
> > you slander,
>
> Right, yeah, I own a website claiming Jim Steinman is
> really James Cypherd and Richard Smith and Dion whoever.
> Absolutely.
Jim is Jim Cypherd, and he is not Richard Smith, get your Richards right......Smith the fraud, is not Jim. SMith is not Jim. Smith is not Jim. GEt it? FOr a silly little radio show that happens to be important to the both of us, Jim uses the airname of Dion. Not any other than Dion, with a surname for that formality, of Jackson. There is probably a Dion Jackson who has lent his name to Jim with his blessings and consent for the purpose.
>
> > you defile,
>
> So I was the reason everyone had to login, was I? Speak
> for yourself, Susan.
The logins were to prevent you from making up posting names and from you and others impersonating me.
>
> and
> > you betray every level of any good faith that this board
> > was built from.
>
> LOL you can't be serious.
Oh yes I am serious.
>
> > you are a scoundrel,
>
> How am I a scoundrel?
>
> > you are a fraud,
>
> How am I a fraud?
How are you not a fraud?
>
> > and
> you are dangerous to this community.
>
> How am I dangerous? Have I ever threatened anyone Susan?
Yes. Don't be coy. You refer to Jim as a Saint, and we know that there are no living saints. You then wrote on his message board that he committed plaigerism. Some saint. You treat him as though he may as well not exist. I consider that and your outward aggressions to be highly threatening, the way that you take over and block me and mixup facts to obscure Jim's true message? You may as well be Richard SMith, yourself.
> Have I ever written 30 emails to someone screaming "time
> for reflection" giving them an anxiety attack? You are a
> freakshow and a stalker. You scare me completely in a way
> I have never been scared before.
You posted these things with amazing regularity and obscene insanity. YOu are the originator and the exclusive user of the phrase. If 30 emails were sent to anyone, they wre not by me. ANxiety attack? You talk about an anxity attack? What the hell are you talking about?
>
> > You create fights
>
> No, Susan, YOU create fights!
In front of everyone who knows better, you know you create fights. Don't be more an ass than yu are the only reason why you are the favorit boy on the board now is bcauase people like me less. But yu give hem reason...hey are just afraid of me for no reason...because you ell them to be afraid. You and your buddies, whatever you say to them.
That is the reason why
> Smeghead and others have left the board, because of
> countless insane posts you have made.
Yu are the one who makes my posts look crazy....you were a beast lying in wait because you already knew I would come, and you were ready to stop me from my journey to bring some information. YOu took that information and turned it into this mess that yu sickly are proud of and are sickly defending with lies and atacks that are made entirely of lies. You had to destroy the looks I had so that yu could win yur points. You are sick.
That is the reason
> the board was changed so everyone had to login because you
> flooded it with crap.
No, because it was others, and including yourslf. I left, and you know damn well I suggested the logins. Of couse there are logins, because you abused it so much. Crazy posts don't need logins, but false posts do. THat is why it is called "authentication".
I never had a problem with you until
> you started sending me dozens of emails and then attacked
> me because I had an interpretation of a fucking song. How
> dare you!
Show me the dozens of emails. I never sent to you dozens of emails. I have copies of evry email I ever sent which you ignored. They are not so or nearly plentiful.
On September 14, I answered your reply with this:
He knows my deepest emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only saves about three people? to be classified a saint? Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know I'm there and I appreciate it.
Ryan,
I notice that you liken yourself to an artist, and you choose Picasso as your reflection, along with a rather interesting email moniker of rockfenris. Would you be interested in explaining your meanings for them? I'd like to know.
I recall you wanted to put together the elements for a production of The Confidence Man and had a volley of rather frictional posts with Smeghead; and I stuck myself in there and made some rather small and simple if not simpleton suggestions. I felt you had an interest, and Smeghead made some attack at the level of your budget and uses of resources. Whatever is true there, I wonder if you might please explain what is going on. I feel that your feelings are quite strong; highly passionate, and determined to be expressed in some way of action, which you may seem could be reflected in making a production. Even if you don't get it together, your appreciation is not any smaller. There are many ways one could pay homage to one they admire.
I highlighted a portion of your reply to me which I find very interesting, that you feel that Jim has entered into your deepest areas. And, that he saved lives, worthy of some sainthood. I noticed you used the word "know" and believe you mean, as if he knew them, which you articulate that way. I would like to understand your feelings, and accept their expression.
I know you have read the posts that I have made on the board, and I also noticed that you have not replied to them. Whatever the reasons there may have been for that, I wonder if you were urged to and held yourself back, or didn't feel them worthy of your time. As I invited questions there, I invite them here. To the extent you are willing to have clarity, I am willing to make clear.
I do know Jim. My impersonator also knows Jim. Where I tell the truth, she lies. Were you able to tell the difference?
I respect your sincerity. Susan
You did not reply.
On October 7, 2005 I sent you another email referring to a post you made on the board and called the topic by that thread's name "BFG":
Ryan, Im totally fascinated by this thread which
exhibits some very interesting pieces of information.
I like Springsteens music a good deal. I didnt think
to compare those works. The classical references to
composers of yore is enlightening. Indeed t
The Lord And Lady Of Excess (this photo isn't of me but I like it.)
But you ignored it.
Maybe you got disturbed by the email I sent you on October 8 which was a follow-up to the one you ignored the day before.
Ryan,
I'm following the board sometimes from my web capable phone and can't read all the posts. I'm on a PC now, so I have a look at the board in its black and red majesty. The comments that I made reference to I realize were made by "Alligator", but you were interested in the string and have more true interest in music than he does. I wanted to mention my comment to you because it is a very interesting topic. However, I am not, and have nothing to do with "Alligator".
You didn't reply to my past email replying again to you, but you made a mention that I had emailed to you. I wonder why you didn't reply; and also, I'd kind of like it best if you didn't mention on the board that I'm writing to you. Heaven knows you might get alot of criticism for that.
There are some individuals that are active on the board who are the subjects of criminal investigation due to actions separate from Rockman. Just be apprised of that.
Sincerely, Susan
On October 10 I made a reply to your original reply to me, in substance so that you would know it was from me, but it was about something you wrote on the board and I had this comment (and the phrase "Time For Reflection" originated with your initiation of a thread with that title which spurred m to write to you.) ON that thread you said to others that my email was well thought out and meaningful. THe topic of "Time For Reflection" was yours and is exclusively yours initiated by you. This second reply, which makes a brief correction of something you wrote, carries that topic name.
First correction, shrek2 was put out video only and
met with disappointing sales. Im delighted you stand
up for Jim. I understand you arent interested in
emailing with me. Sincerely, Susan
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher..........
>
It just coincided that on the same day, October 10, 2005, I felt I had a reason to forward a mail to you. I don't know why I forwarded to you an email which was with anoher poster concerning a different post, but not only did I forward it to you but I cc:d it to Jim using the jimsteinman.com address. If I explained it at the time I assume that the explanation is within the text. But I don't think it is a crazy text. And certainly, it is a departure from your title of "Time For Reflection".
Jsteinfan created that alter board the mere day after
I posted for the first time. From there I gained
insight of this, a reply to an email I sent.
--- allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
wrote:
> Hey Susan.
> I was also known as Call Me Al on the Rockman
Record.
> I'm only quite new to both, but most members strike
me as being a)
> narrow minded, and b) very overreactive.
> I realise the impersonators are hardly your fault,
but I'm sure you can
> see the confusion they created when there is no way
of telling who is
> who or what the hell is going on.
> I would certainly like to hear some more about your
theories. I can see
> your point about the photo's, but the one time I
said so, I got
> corrected in no uncertain terms, so have not been
brave enough to say so
> there again.
> So please continue on the baord, if that's possible,
if not, please drop
> me an email now and again, as I am interested to
hear more. You have
> certainly had an extraordinary life!
> All the best.
> Fttson (Al)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Rothman
> To: allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: Suburbs Of Hell post
>
>
> Dear Fttson,
>
> I read your kind words about me on the alternate
board. I am Susan.
>
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
right now, I believe I
> made that clear on my last post addressed to
Jacqueline "About The
> Board". I understand how awful it is to manuever
around all the
> confusion.
>
> I just wanted to thank you for the kind words that
reading my posts
> sometimes brightened your day.
>
> Sincerely, Susan
>
On that day, I was using a mobile phone's email which only permitted me to make brief messages but it still appended the original when sending which I had no control over...so this seems redundant but in the set of three referring to the Suburbs of Hell, I manage to explain that in one.
The second in the series of three:
Then I researched in depth. I dont need to bore you
with it. I reported it to the authorities and these
identities are known by me.
--- allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
wrote:
> Hey Susan.
> I was also known as Call Me Al on the Rockman
Record.
> I'm only quite new to both, but most members strike
me as being a)
> narrow minded, and b) very overreactive.
> I realise the impersonators are hardly your fault,
but I'm sure you can
> see the confusion they created when there is no way
of telling who is
> who or what the hell is going on.
> I would certainly like to hear some more about your
theories. I can see
> your point about the photo's, but the one time I
said so, I got
> corrected in no uncertain terms, so have not been
brave enough to say so
> there again.
> So please continue on the baord, if that's possible,
if not, please drop
> me an email now and again, as I am interested to
hear more. You have
> certainly had an extraordinary life!
> All the best.
> Fttson (Al)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Rothman
> To: allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: Suburbs Of Hell post
>
>
> Dear Fttson,
>
> I read your kind words about me on the alternate
board. I am Susan.
>
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
right now, I believe I
> made that clear on my last post addressed to
Jacqueline "About The
> Board". I understand how awful it is to manuever
around all the
> confusion.
>
> I just wanted to thank you for the kind words that
reading my posts
> sometimes brightened your day.
>
> Sincerely, Susan
ANd the third...all the while I was not aware that the original messages were being appended. But I do include the whole thing here:
Im using mobile yahoo which has limitations. But to
see someones image try cutting and pasting from View
Source into the browser.
--- allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
wrote:
> Hey Susan.
> I was also known as Call Me Al on the Rockman
Record.
> I'm only quite new to both, but most members strike
me as being a)
> narrow minded, and b) very overreactive.
> I realise the impersonators are hardly your fault,
but I'm sure you can
> see the confusion they created when there is no way
of telling who is
> who or what the hell is going on.
> I would certainly like to hear some more about your
theories. I can see
> your point about the photo's, but the one time I
said so, I got
> corrected in no uncertain terms, so have not been
brave enough to say so
> there again.
> So please continue on the baord, if that's possible,
if not, please drop
> me an email now and again, as I am interested to
hear more. You have
> certainly had an extraordinary life!
> All the best.
> Fttson (Al)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Rothman
> To: allanah_hillier@ozemail.com.au
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: Suburbs Of Hell post
>
>
> Dear Fttson,
>
> I read your kind words about me on the alternate
board. I am Susan.
>
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
right now, I believe I
> made that clear on my last post addressed to
Jacqueline "About The
> Board". I understand how awful it is to manuever
around all the
> confusion.
>
> I just wanted to thank you for the kind words that
reading my posts
> sometimes brightened your day.
>
> Sincerely, Susan
The string of five differing messages with the title "Time For Reflection" were on October 13, brief and in sequence because I did not have internet access at that time other than through my mobile phone. I did not get full time access to the internet until the end of that month. Mobile phones do not have full length email capabilities. I was still not aware that the messages were being appended to the previous. And there was something I saw on the board which brought it on. You were involving yourselves with others and I was trying to warn you of some dangers that I perceived, in my innocence thinking you did not deserve to get into trouble. I may not always have the full measure of balance in my understandings, but I do not lack sincerity or sanity.
ryan, there are only four or five people posting on
the board using all of those names. I know all of
them. One is my sister. One, I had a four year close
relationship with, one had a two month relationship
with me and tried for more with aliases, and on
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher......
This refers to things I had believed I had made clear to you prior.
They know each other long and well. My sister
orchestrated the rape with that one, then later
pretended to marry him herself. The man also
introduced me to the one with the alias. And the other
fell in man love with the latter in 1980.
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher........
Then the third in the series of five from the mobile phone:
Clearly they have some goon friends sometimes come in
and post, but theres nobody there but them.
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher........
Then the fourth:
Theres nothing wrong with things I say. I know who and
what they are. All of them are professional fakers.
They do other things just as convincingly.
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher..........
And the last, the fifth one:
They have codes they relate to and amongst one another
that they use common phrases to transmit. Some are
more discernable than others. Which one them are you?
--- rockfenris2005@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Susan,
>
> Jim Steinman is the only reason I post on any boards
these days. If it has anything to do with Jim it's the
only reason I do. Every one of his songs, or
creations, have touched a part of my life that (I
thought) could never be reached. He knows my deepest
emotions (and secrets) and articulates them so
eloquently. I am drawn to pay him back: and I've been
doing it for years: listening to his music, singing it
live, introducing it to all kinds of people. Like it
or not, Steinman's music has saved lives and
enlightened others. In my view, he falls under the
category of a saint. A saint, in their lives, only
saves about three people? to be classified a saint?
Well Jim has saved thousands wiuth his music. So I go
onto his board for the simple reasonto let him know
I'm there and I appreciate it.
>
> Other than that, I keep right away. The internet is
a very scary place. That board I had told you about. I
had forged some close (and intense) relationships with
people from there. Then one little insignificant
argument, when I was only sticking up for my friend,
expelled me and made me out to be a 'narcissitic
fascist'. If I still had the evidence I would sue
their asses off. I would sue them for all the money
this country's got. They'd put this country in debt.
To even think about it, I swear, makes me want to
break stuff: scream and shout: attack people and go
insane. It really really really angers and upsets me.
The intnernet is a warped warped horrible world.
>
> Save for the collaborations I've made, and getting
my voice out there (to where thousands of people can
see from hundreds of destinations): the chatrooms and
the boards are the worst place to be. Take it form me,
as a bit of advice: they don't know SHIT about you.
These people have never met you. These people don't
know a god-ddamn thing. As long as you are who you
are, and you're happy with it, and you do your best to
offer your contributions to this life: it does not
matter what they think. And, in the end, I think if
you did that (because he did it) at least JIm would be
proud. And I gueess I'm happy to hear that you really
do know him. I think he's amazing.
>
> I have come close, several times, to meeting him. I
tried putting on several of his musicals out here, and
I came very close to speaking with him in person about
those. But I guess I would be in awe: dumbstruck:
because Steinman's music, (but I guess like most music
- except his is better IMO) has helped me in immense
hard times.
>
> It's been a pleasure speaking to you and thanking
you for understanding.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> Susan wrote:
> I am not attempting to participate in the board
posts; but I look in from time to time, and I read
your eloquent essay which touched me. I know that I
am referred to as "the Susan thing" and I understand
why. What else I understand is that, for lesser things
you found your own samples of confusing behaviors on
past boards.
>
> I never participated in any board before. My brother
found the internet some years ago and used chat rooms
to destroy his marriage; hence I did not feel any draw
to them. So, I once tried to make his experiences a
little bit more constructive and then he just
complained that I was cramping his style, being in the
same room as his attempts to pick women up. And he
didn't represent his interests in any other way. I had
a really bad taste in my mouth from that point.
>
> I went onto an Avon Representative board when I
started a business some years ago and found people
using it to complain about things, and it was very
depressing to read. It didn't help me and my business
at all, so I didn't feel the need to continue with it.
My business did well, without the sisterhood, such as
that may have been.
>
> Jim Steinman is someone whom I listen to and wonder
how God put such genious into the world in our
lifetimes; but, for many years I didn't know that I
actually knew him. His secretiveness took levels of
magnitudes higher.......
What may have been unfamiliar to you would have served as a basis for you asking. I could not be blamed for your disinterest, but I was trying to be a friend.
Leaving that silly string, on November 7, 2005 I had another comment to one of your posts, which was called "R U Kidding" and this is that email I sent to you:
Hi Ryan,
Just a friendly reminder. If you want to know if Jim is *alive* or anything about what he is doing, for heavens sake, I'm the one who KNOWS!!!!! Jerk!
--Previous Message--
: Now everyone in the
: know-how is keeping secrets and there's all
: kind of rumours as to who's doing what and
: who's doing which. I've had it.
: I don't know what to believe because no one
: is
: saying anything.
: Is Steinman even ALIVE? NO ONE TELLS US!!!!
Of course, that was a little bit course in tone, but you can understand why.
As if I had not banged my head against the door enough, on November 30th I had another comment to another one of your posts which I sent to you by email but the message got truncated and the topic was called "left in the dark":
lately a group of posts concerned this song. It
coincided with when my much maligned posts at rocky
horror began. Im not naive to think that the
communities dont overlap. Of course they do. The songs
title could make one think of a darkened movie thea
I couldn't begin to recall what the rest of this message was. It was undoubtedly sent via the mobile phone.
I was also replying to a topic called "booh" and another truncated message resulted. At the time I had Rocky Horror much on my mind, doing alot of the research at that time for my project. So this is what was written:
Jim did something great with this. The initials of the
title tell boo like a horror caricature. And the tune
contains elements of Wise Up Janet Weiss! Just another
heads up Ryan. Unless you mean to, you just give them
backdrops for their code message
Then on the same day I had a comment about your site, which I think you linked to for the first time that day, so the topic I call the email message is "your site":
Its called the lord of excess, but Jim is more than
that you have seen. Thus the excess, not a decadent
overblow, but excess, alot of stuff. If you knew him
like I do, youd understand. Dont believe the hype,
believe me.
Then a long time passed. I sent you no other emails, until I saw your request for help with the lyrics of "Wonderful Toys" and I chose to respond, with this:
Ryan, here is the lyric I transcribed. I didn't count
exactly each and every repetition, but I tried to get
it at least close to it.
It's the least I could do with the man's rib stuck in
me. LOL
Best, Susan
We are not amused!
Well let me put it to you this way
Where did Chicago get all that Meat?
How does Venezuala get all their heat
And where does Adidas find all their feet
You'd like to know the answers now wouldn't you boys
Tell me where does he get all those wonderful toys
Where do all the Disney folk get all their tunes
How did Davey Crokett capture all of those 'coons
Why are all my henchmen only second class goons
If you know the answers then you make a joyful noise
And where does he get all those wonderful toys
How did Esmeralda get a hunchback to fall
What exactly does a priest hear when he answers the
call
How did Julius Caesar deal with all that gall?
Do you think I'm off my rocker off the wagon on a
bender
On the juvee on a roll or on a tear and on the wall
And how did Abercrombie and Fitch come up with so many
boys
And where does he get all those wonderful wonderful
toys
I know what you're thinking well forget it!
I know what you're planning you'll regret it!
I know who they are and where they've been exactly
where they're hoping to be!
If he'd been there done it seen it all that's all they
can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
They think they've been there done it seen it all
that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
They think they've been there done it seen it all
that's all they can see
Well wait tul they get a load get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
They think they've been there done it seen it all
that's all they can see
Well wait tul they get a load get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me
They think they've been there done it seen it all
that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load get a load of me Get a
load of me get a load of me!
From the shores of montazuma to the halls of
Timbucktoomba Uew timbucktoomba?
Stop me before I rhyme again!
From the shores of montazuma to the tip of Timbucktoo
You can see him everywhere these days
What'd Batman do in Catmandu?
Ooh what a rhyme, eat your heart out Stephen Sondheim!
I think that Captain Hook deserves appreciation for
the way
That he could handle all those imbicilic nauseating
stupifying putrifying mortifying little lost booooysza
But that's clearly off the topic!
Which is obviously where did he get all those
wonderful toys!
Where do all the country clubs get all of their goys
Where do all the yiddish folk get all of their oys
How do you stay away from the awful hoy peloys
And make a joyful noise! And where does he get all
those, where does he get all those, where does he get
all those, where does he where does he where does he
where does he where does he where does he oh! that's
VERY easy for me to say! Where does he get all those
wonderful toys!
You'd like to know the secrets well now wouldn't you
boys
Well where does he get all those wonderful toys
You'd like to know the secrets well now wouldn't you
boys
Well where does he get all those wonderful toys
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
You'd like to know the secrets well now wouldn't you
boys
Well where does he get all those wonderful toys
You'd like to know the secrets well now wouldn't you
boys
Well where does he get all those wonderful toys
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
Oooh Baabeh That's what I like!
Chantilly Lace had a pretty face and a pony tail just
hangin' down
Oooh look at that one over there..that's my beloved my
paramour,
Isn't she fine?
Well to tell you the truth I hate every bone in her
body Except MINE! Oh well.
Father I want to kill you Mother I want to ewewewhew
Ooh will this get me on TRL on MTV?
Look out Rover and let Joker take over!
Doe a deer I killed that deer
Why don't you come up to the lab and see what's on the
slab
Oh look at her skin her skin its the color of mocha
livin the vida joker!
Whooohahaha
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
Been there done it seen it all that's all they can see
Well wait til they get a load a get a load of me
Will the real cape crusader please stand up please
stand up
please stand up
My name is my name my name is Jose Jiminez!
Hahahaha
THE JOKER HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!
You ignored me, no thank you, and you took credit for the transcription yourself, posting it on the Rockman Record and your site.
On July 20th, with the topic called "Batman", I chose to write to you because I had so many feelings that day that I was unable to contain myself. The email I sent and which you ignored was this. You had made comments on the board addressed openly to me which I quote in this beginning (except the hmmm, that was my commentary):
Where am I when you need me?
Hello, am I enjoying my stay?
Hmmmmm.
I'm spending the day crying at this twelve minute 23 megabyte soul-digger, and I had other plans. I can't contain myself. I can't find a balance. I can't stand not having a balance. But, that's the way it is.
Okay: Jim says Batman (Graveyard Shift) was released prematurely, so that may mean that we were just supposed to get the Angels Arise portion. Well, they both make me cry, but the first is very interesting to me. But first, after I cursed you under my breath towards the eastern wind, I visited your "Batman Memorial" site. I don't like the connotations of anything being memorial,mind you. But, the writing you do is splendid. The way you put the finger on the button of Broadway is right on point. In some way I got pissed when you went to that Broadway writer about Jim's blog. Not that he needs the exposure as much as what the exposure could do to create a remedy. Sometimes the problems are under the surface.
I've heard Jim tell me that he used to tell people that he had problems because of me, forgetting that they might interpret that it was my actions that created them; so some people have hatreds of me that are based in a wrong assumption. The "because of me" is that my family is a bunch of criminals and they took one sniff at Jim's caring at me, counted his money as it passed from his father and him for my benefit, and targeted him as an enemy. So, "because of me" isn't "me". I am Jim's friend, unabiding, dedicated, for his benefit and solace at every opportunity that I could provide it. I would like him to have a place he deserves on Broadway, without the "old criminal network" constantly getting in his way. It breaks my heart that he deserves that, and it eludes him. Jim also knows that I am a victim.
I updated the site on Lily Sincere, and I have tried to get more to the core ofthe problems in more succinct ways. Maybe you could take a look, and perhaps tell me what information I am missing. Jim never discussed Batman with me to the extent of the details that you disseminate on your page. But I should also tell you that the Angels Arise song contains a conversation he and I had in 1974.
Please tell me what you think of the website. I'd like to help Jim. If you would also like to, please reply. http://lilysincere.byethost13.com
I think I'd like to write a page and dedicate it to the subject of broadway, specifically.
Best, Susan
On The 9th of November of 2006 you asked on the board about having difficulty playing "Still The Children" and I wrote in this reply to that called "How to play the mp3":
Hi,
Despite the fact that you singlehandedly shut down my forum, I'm letting you in on the benefit of my experience. "Still the Children" won't play with the other children....it wants to be on the microsoft media player. I've asked it why but it won't tell me.
Susan
I never sent you another email.
> and
> > then defend with fabrications of your intentions and
> > meanings and I have never found a shred of truth in
> > anything you have ever claimed, and EVERYONE BELIEVES
> > YOU!!!
>
> Everything on BAT OUT OF EXCESS is a fucking fact.
> Jacqueline and Jim would have sued me otherwise.
The fact that you have a bat out of excess is a demonstration of ulterior motives.
>
> > That they do is their weakness in the ability to
> > make intelligent judgments.
>
> No, Susan, it's because they have a grasp of reality. Even
> Jacqueline said that Richard O'Brien is not Jim.
Jacqueline cannot be blamed for not having or not being authorized for stating the facts. People should be able to have the insight to judge the situation upon their own perceptions based on the body of work that I have researched and sweat to put together. It is an easy but ardouis task in the tandem.....there is work, and there is fact. I cannot be taken lightly because you asked a third party. You cannot really compare an eight year association with a fifty year association. I respect Jacqueline, but she does not have the same job in Jim's experiences that I do.
You even
> stated you were related to the Russian Tzar when that is a
> ridiculous and totally untrue theory.
You cannot judge things for yourself that you have no facts on yourself. Trying to do so only makes you look ridiculous.
And how could Robert
> Goulet be Jim's father?
WEll, Jim's mother and father had sex, and conceived a little baby boy and the father is Robert Goulet. Any questions?
He would have been 10 or something
> when he conceived Jim.
Nineteen. Jim's father was born in 1934, Jim was born in 1953. Not the elder Jim, my Jim. Yeah you still can't grasp the two Jims....think of a time share.
My own biological father, btw, is only seven years older than me, and that is something you would choose to ridicule, too? Don't judge what you don't know.
That is ridiculous in ofitself.
> >
> > The hell you are.
>
> Don't tell me what I am or am not feeling you stupid
> bitch.
>
> >
> > You are posting here........you with your compulsive,
> > "frenetic" idiocy, being the false victim in the scenarios
> > you create.
>
> Fuck off.
>
> > The dramatic victim, such a pitiful sight, so
> > undeserving of your station that you built with lies.
>
> I HAVE NEVER LIED ABOUT ANYTHING STUPID ON THE INTERNET,
> SO FUCK OFF BEFORE I CALL THE POLICE.
>
> You
> > created the platform of credibility only to block me and
> > to destroy Jim. You know it.
> >
>
> I never called Howard, you stupid mole. I said that to
> scare you off because you are a threat to this board the
> way you post constant ridiculous posts that mean nothing.
> How could people avoid you when you used to post day and
> night constantly and spread theories that are SIMPLY NOT
> TRUE.
>
> I have tried to ignore you. I have even pitied you because
> you need help. I am genuinely concerned for the state you
> are in and I wish someone would help you. But still you
> have the effrontery to attack me when you attacked me
> first all those years ago by sending me constant emails.
> You started this fight then, Susan. You started it the day
> you began writing me and stalking me constantly. That's
> why I destroyed your stupid pathetic forum because you
> were spreading more of your lies, and God knows if any
> poor member joined you would have their details AND STALK
> THEM. I SAVED THEM FROM YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE OFF THE
> RAILS. SERIOUSLY.
> >
> > What urgent copyright matter involved you and this
> > musical, and since you have never spoken to Jim, had any
> > email responses from him, or shined his shoes, how did he
> > tell you? Did he project a candle image to you in your
> > sleep?
> >
>
> LOL now you're saying I have never spoken to Jim.
> Jacqueline will tell you. THE REAL JIM-JAMES RICHARD
> FUCKING STEINMAN OF CLAREMONT, CALIFORNIA-WILL TELL YOU.
> He will tell you that he's never even heard of you and
> that you are insane and HE IS SCARED OF YOU COMPLETELY. He
> probably thinks you are the insane killer type, someone
> like JOHN FUCKING LENNON'S ASSASSINATOR. Keep AWAY FROM
> ME
>
> >
> > Lots of offense you small microscopic turdwad.
> >
> >
>
> More offense to you you screwball nutjob. A good member of
> this forum died recently AND HERE YOU ARE POSTING CONSTANT
> NONSENSE AS ALWAYS. GO TO HELL
>
>
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