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pidunk 09:23 pm UTC 06/27/07 |
| In reply to: | re: So Jim Steinman walks into a bar...... - Vin 08:39 pm UTC 06/27/07 |
> Wait, why is my analogy absurd again? And who's > "Benoit?" > Are you implying that your post is a random act of violence? As for this, how easy is it for you to conjure in your mind images of violence and death of someone whom you claim to love, or if not love, admire? Someone who produces or influences the production of songs that have lifted and illuminated your soul, heart, and sometimes your mind? Who you devote hours of your life to each RR-visible day, who you have prusumably have thought of, imagined of, what kind of person he is? You can segue in an instant from that presumed set of pedestaled feelings, to this? What does that say of the influence of violence on television and movies, apparently had on you? Can you imagine what your world would be like if you never saw images of violence on your television or if action adventure movies were about boating on treacherous river rapids instead of shooting people and blowing up things? Do you think you may like to learn how to kayak? > > > > > > > > > - I wouldn't stop listening to his music - I would just > > > consider it a very sad end. > > > > > > - Radio stations wouldn't stop playing his songs, > > > because, e.g. they never announce, "Here's No Matter What > > > by Boyzone, written of course, by Jim Steinman." If he > > > were the performer of the songs, e.g. Gary Glitter, then > > > it might be a different story (although R Kelly would > > > disprove this). > > > > > > - The thought of JS wouldn't disgust me, I would feel it > > > were a sad end. Possibly no more a sad ending though than > > > I consider Bat 3... > > > > > > - It would depend on the circumstances as to whether the > > > "two Jims" would be considered separately. Consider > > > Mohammed Ali - he is considered the greatest, depsite > > > taking beatings later in his career and ending up as his > > > is now. People remember him how he was. > > > > > > - I bet Jim pissed himself when he read your post too... > > > > > Well, I did, or at least spilled, as rockfenris2005 > > might say, some kind of liquid or spat some kind of food > > up, because this is an absurd kind of analogy using an > > absurd example. Why didn't you just use the examples that > > exist? There are plentiful of them. And it is absurd too > > that you would contemplate the kind of acts alledgedly > > committed by Benoit as anything parallel too, to a > > "common" (how tragic society is) massacre. Domestic > > violence is highly prevalant amongst those who are > > attracted to aspects of violence and macho in a > > profession, not saying anything about a profession but a > > man who mashes someone's head is not on the same plane as > > someone who does not. I've been a wrestling fan, and I did > > not see anything dangerous in the wrestlers per se, but I > > did see alot of dangerous aspects in some of the audience > > I found at a match, where I thought I might have found > > myself on the wrong side of a stranger's elbow or right > > fist, merely by virtue of his/her own fan ranting at the > > ring's activities. I both took a tranquilizer and left the > > match. > > > > I've also seen firsthand, with a boyfriend in the common > > vernacular (the one who I feel is choreographed in the > > dance movements/casting of Bad For Good and Rock and Roll > > Dreams Come Through videos) how a rage of an argument that > > gets out of hand renders a woman helpless. The difference > > on December 31, 1981, and apparently Benoit's rage > > expressed on his wife just at this event, was that Benoit > > did not let go, but I was myself strangled, and lost my > > airflow momentarily at that time. And I have never > > forgotten what it feels like to be strangled. I have never > > forgotten the impossibility I found myself in, and there > > was no word or action of mine that caused the release....I > > was unable to speak, and I was pinned to the floor. > > Suddenly, the guy just opened his eyes really wide, > > released his hands, realizing what he was doing, and > > stopped. I consider that a miracle. I got away from that > > intense situation days later, but at that time I had > > bruises up and down my arm and on my neck. > > > > It does not take "roids" to make a man who is predisposed > > to having out of control rage, to express his rage > > uncontrollably. When a man who is primitively angry to > > begin with, gets out of control, it is God and Heaven who > > can stop him, and nothing to blame it on but that. What > > does this do to the memory of Benoit by his fans? That > > depends on whether the fans feel anything about it at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and guns down 47 people with an Uzi. He pushes a little > > > > old lady down a flight of stairs and steals candy from a > > > > baby before throwing himself in front of a bus, taking his > > > > own life. Hypothetically, of course. > > > > > > > > Does this ultimate act of villainy (or insanity? Its all > > > > the drugs, people!) negate Jim's body of work? Do you > > > > still love his music? Can you still stomach his music? > > > > Should radio stations still play the hits? Does the very > > > > thought of Jim Steinman now disgust you? > > > > > > > > Are the songs now a celebration of the Jim That Was, > > > > standing separate from the Jim That Was at the Last? Or > > > > can the two aspects never be considered separately? > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > | |
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