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Leesa 04:34 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Disgracefully Yours - pidunk 04:12 am UTC 07/23/07 |
Who knows? The damned movie was playing downtown and yes I threw toast because culture dictated(everyone was doing it) in the previous show. No one 'directed' anything for what I could see--I brought it to fit in. Mass harassment? Guess you'd have to ask the old Englert management. Umm, and not by hearing the film's dialogue the first time, not alot was lost, I gathered, when I did finally hear it. Leesa > > > > > > First of, who might have motivated a movement to get RH to > > IC in the late '70's--maybe, umm, the STUDENTS who are the > > impetus for virtually anything in Iowa City. Like I said, > > I bought a ticket because I wanted to see the film of the > > soundtrack I liked. > > With five prints in circulation, it was hardly a movement > en masse based on widespread circulation. Until 1981 the > RH movement was so much on freeze mode before 20thFox gave > the go-ahead to Piro to run amuck with it. So, where-ever > a simulated movement began, one of Piro's ilk is behind > it. The whole anti-war movement in America began the same > way but not by Piro of course. That was someone else. > > > > > And yeah, I really liked the lp, and I memorised the > > lyrics--I did on all the Queen lps and Bat as well. And I > > didn't know anything about the audience > > participation--they were participating so loudly I > > couldn't hear the movie, so at least I knew the song > > lyrics from the lp--those were all I knew. > > > So you could agree that "audience participation" is not > participation at all, but vandalism and socially tolerated > mass harrassment? > > > >The next > > showings I brought toast because I watched what happened > > before. I liked the music I liked--in an obsessive way. > > > Because you liked the music, you brought toast? Where is > the logical connection between liking music and bringing > toast? > > > > > Bat and RH were 2 I loved. Even without the visuals, I > > disagree--at least for me they were marvellous and yes, I > > did memorise them. But no, the movie dialogue was somewhat > > lost on me. > > Did you see how much was lost, and that by not hearing the > movie, one cannot know what the movie is about? > > > > >Sorry I didn't make that clear. > > No, of course the vandalising of the Englert was > > shameful--I didn't dump the water, I didn't condone it--it > > occurred the first or second time I attended--all I did > > was toss 2 pieces of toast at participants at either the > > second or third showing I attended at the Englert. > > Where else can you throw toast at people? Can you go any > other civilized place and toss toast at the others there? > How insane did you really feel that behavior was, if the > movie was a movie and nobody but someone you didn't know > gave instructions en masse to the audience what they > should heckle, what they should toss, and what they should > drown out? Don't you see that the fan club defiles the > movie in its systematic way? > > > > >I WAS > > kinda shocked when the water was dumped by more seasoned > > movie-goers. > > The more seasoned movie goers, where did they come from? > Already members of the cult they were there to be certain > that the patterns persisted on their own terms. > > > > >And the Des Moines Register article didn't > > appear until that next weekend. > > Just to promote either the movie or the cult. > > > As for the reat of your post, sorry, I don't understand. > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > No babe, I bought a friggin ticket! > > > > I'd purchased the picture disc (with Tim Curry tarting it > > > > up in the fishnets--you would LOVE it!) about the same > > > > time I bought the new Bat 1 and caught the movie the first > > > > time it hit town. > > > > > > Thaya bought tickets until she fenagled the theater owner > > > to let our boys do the security for the place and thus let > > > our group in first and free. This ultimately resulted in > > > one fateful moment the whole thing nearly shut down and I > > > stopped the owner from shutting it down (I didn't realize > > > there was a larger agenda contra to my interests involving > > > the movie at the time) by redirecting the attentions of > > > the security to people milling around in front of the > > > theater and heckling. This action began the orderly lines > > > at the side of the theater and a no-standing zone in front > > > of the theater. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iowa City may well have been the first > > > > place in Iowa to have shown it, however as the University > > > > has a very progressive student body, no doubt someone had > > > > lobbied, IC is alot different than much of the state. > > > > > > Who, do you imagine, might have motivated such a movement > > > if such existed? > > > > > > > > > > It simply wasn't me! I did have all the lyrics memorised > > > > so when the audience (who had the audience script down but > > > > not alot of dressing up)drowned out the movie, I still > > > > knew the words! > > > > > > An interest in Bat Out Of Hell does not readily translate > > > into an interest in Rocky Horror at that time and place, > > > but an interest in Rocky Horror readily translated to an > > > interest in Meat Loaf. With all due respect to the high > > > quality and catchiness of the songs, they weren't built > > > for stand-alone greatness, but for supporting the visuals, > > > and without the visuals, one hardly had an impetus for > > > learning all the words....and the words you knew were the > > > songs, not the spoken words in between them, except you > > > fail to differentiate that here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went a couple more times that week and brought > > > > toast--the Englert had a balcony--it was actually an old > > > > opera house--and someone smuggled a 5 gallon bucket in, > > > > filled it with water, and dumped it from the balcony > > > > during the rain scene! That little stunt made the Des > > > > Moines Register--if I can find the archive on the > > > > Register's site, I can show you that date, so at least you > > > > can see that your history of the film's distribution was > > > > not consistant with the entire country. > > > > > > > > > So, you thought that vandalizing a movie theater was a > > > good idea? It was not consistent with the entire country > > > because you, Thaya, had such an interest in that region of > > > the country and had control over where it was shown. > > > > > > > > > > At the time I was involved in alot of other things, mainly > > > > the pagan community in IC, as well as working, prepping > > > > for college, showing my second bully, Maggie, and planning > > > > to go to Britain. > > > > > > Thaya has also had involvements in the pagan community, > > > and told me she is a witch, a high priestess. She never > > > wanted to describe her coven. So what. > > > > > > > > > > The shows, as I recalled, were sold out that week. > > > > After the water though, they never showed it at the > > > > Englert again. > > > > > > Of course you understand that your influence has its > > > boundaries or at least did at that time in that case. Or > > > did you just want to shut it down after the token RH run? > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the early 80's I did attend one more showing I'd > > > > forgotten about at another IC theatre when a RH resergence > > > > on sorts happened--I bet that's what you meant about the > > > > fan club's distributing after '81--IC must have gotten an > > > > early one. > > > > > > In 1981 numerous prints were made after the rights were > > > formally given by 20th Century Fox to the Fan Club. Until > > > then there were about only five prints in existence. > > > > > > These rights, by the way, included the pulled copyrights > > > from Jim's side as part of a failure settlement, and Jim > > > obtained no monies from those new reproductions, but the > > > Fan Club and 20th Century Fox were able to share the > > > profits. > > > > > > The Fan Club says they make no money, but they also sell > > > books written with fake details they are calling facts > > > about the start of the RH cult and craze, leaving out > > > details that are significant, adding details of things > > > which never happened, and raising Smith's status to them > > > as being the man who was Richard O'Brien who wrote it and > > > played Riff Raff. That they made these falsities is > > > something that they scurilously, maliciously, and > > > aggressively protect, using among other things, character > > > assassinations and other creative deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > But, wasn't me who brought it either time. I thought about > > > > looking into the fan club but was too busy with other > > > > things. > > > > > > No need, as Thaya's name is nowhere seen in any of their > > > history. > > > > > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Horror was playing in Iowa City in 1979, perhaps 1978. I saw it before I left for England in the spring of 1980 and I believe I was still in high school--I graduated in 1978. A group of us trashed the theatre one night and and article was written about the showing and incident in the Des Moines Register--I have the article ina scrapbook. > > > > > > Hell, you don't even have details and facts right about > > > > > > the distribution of the damn movie! > > > > > > How very consistant with all your bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > If it was playing there, you were the one who took it > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, you pathetic stupid bitch--I AM NOT THAYA! Your > > > > > > > > post is total nonsense. What the hell is a ganook? An egg > > > > > > > > in the womb? You are nuts. > > > > > > > > And of course Mutt Lange is a trend-setter--and yes, with > > > > > > > > Shania Twain's fusion of country to pop, damned right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Puleeze. Or maybe Aaaaan Puleeze. Whatever. Twain's > > > > > > > fusion is lucky its not her hips to the opry > > > > > > > traditionalists. Pretty face, but not my idea of country. > > > > > > > Pop and country don't mix because one is pop and one is > > > > > > > country. Now, I know where some great pop performers have > > > > > > > made some interesting forays pleasantly into a country > > > > > > > atmosphere, but to put pop together with country and call > > > > > > > it a fusion is ridiculous. The whole guitar twangy thing > > > > > > > in Nowhere Fast is a nice effect, and maybe it could cross > > > > > > > over to country, for example in the The Dream Engine > > > > > > > collection, but I would not call it a country fusion. The > > > > > > > whole idea of fusion this and fusion that is solely to > > > > > > > confuse. The kind of fusion that a so-called fusion is, is > > > > > > > confusion. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're as ignorant about that aspect of music as you are > > > > > > > > on the rest of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Even if I don't know something now, it is easy to > > > > > > > learn. Lange was not on the primary focus in thought. But > > > > > > > a look at his accomplishments do not render him in my view > > > > > > > a trendsetter. He is a background guy, in every capacity. > > > > > > > You could only know if he is a trendsetter if you know him > > > > > > > and know what he is doing. Otherwise, he has been involved > > > > > > > in nothing particularly stellar in my opinion, even if he > > > > > > > did involve himself with Def Leppard at the time when Jim > > > > > > > was to be working with them. Hmmmm.....that didn't have > > > > > > > anything to do with that situation, did it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now that Leesa M in Arizona shot your accusations of > > > > > > > > her being multiple personalities down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denials do not tantamount to "shooting down" of truth. > > > > > > > Deny and deny all you want. Those assertions are > > > > > > > preposterous. I wrote about the myspace page and explained > > > > > > > its content before that post ever made the board. I have > > > > > > > nothing else to say on that. It is a stupid volley of > > > > > > > stupid arguments by someone who did not create a logical > > > > > > > construction of their deception. Is there such a thing as > > > > > > > a logical construction of deception? Thankfully not, no > > > > > > > matter how logical the deceivers want to be. It takes only > > > > > > > good logic to see through deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you're back to > > > > > > > > calling me Thaya--so I'm a baroness and Sandra Cabot as > > > > > > > > well I suppose and you called me in December of 1980 and > > > > > > > > all that bullshit--and you believe this?? So what is > > > > > > > > 'Thaya' doing in Iowa? Posing as a resident for 23 yrs in > > > > > > > > the same place? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I first wondered what Thaya was doing in Idaho, where > > > > > > > Thaya admits to being, for about as long now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does your private eye say about > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, Hal, and Smith--don't have a clue. I've seen RH at > > > > > > > > the Englert Theatre in Iowa City 3 times in my life in the > > > > > > > > mid '70's--whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It fucking wasn't in Iowa in the mid-seventies. It didn't > > > > > > > open in the Waverly until 1976, and prints for > > > > > > > distribution weren't put around by the wankering awful fan > > > > > > > club until after 1981. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You saw it three times you say, and you have all this > > > > > > > stock put into what someone says about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of your 'research' on virtually everything is bullshit > > > > > > > > and you simply can't face the fact that you wasted all > > > > > > > > that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasted alot of time believing people who could not be > > > > > > > believed but looked believable. And by the way none of my > > > > > > > time with Jim was wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is not one concrete shred of evidence to > > > > > > > > support anything. Just your mental illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are too much. I know many people who are quite willing > > > > > > > to swear on the bible that the grass in a park is not > > > > > > > green if they were given enough incentive to. So give it > > > > > > > up. I've got lots of evidence visible to you and everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wanna call me 'Thaya'? Whatever. I guess if Jim puts > > > > > > > > up with you calling him several different names on his own > > > > > > > > fansite, I'll tolerate your insanity and inability to > > > > > > > > understand who I am as well.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's called admission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course no one ever wins an argument with you--you make > > > > > > > > no fucking sense to argue with! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, that's not what you used to say. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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