not logged in
| re: Disgracefully Yours | |
Posted by:  |
pidunk 04:39 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Disgracefully Yours - Leesa 04:34 am UTC 07/23/07 |
> > Who knows? The damned movie was playing downtown and yes I > threw toast because culture dictated(everyone was doing > it) in the previous show. No one 'directed' anything for > what I could see--I brought it to fit in. Mass harassment? > Guess you'd have to ask the old Englert management. > Umm, and not by hearing the film's dialogue the first > time, not alot was lost, I gathered, when I did finally > hear it. > Leesa Which other movies did you go to and have to catch up on what the dialogue was when you finally get around to it? > > > > > > > > > > First of, who might have motivated a movement to get RH to > > > IC in the late '70's--maybe, umm, the STUDENTS who are the > > > impetus for virtually anything in Iowa City. Like I said, > > > I bought a ticket because I wanted to see the film of the > > > soundtrack I liked. > > > > With five prints in circulation, it was hardly a movement > > en masse based on widespread circulation. Until 1981 the > > RH movement was so much on freeze mode before 20thFox gave > > the go-ahead to Piro to run amuck with it. So, where-ever > > a simulated movement began, one of Piro's ilk is behind > > it. The whole anti-war movement in America began the same > > way but not by Piro of course. That was someone else. > > > > > > > > > And yeah, I really liked the lp, and I memorised the > > > lyrics--I did on all the Queen lps and Bat as well. And I > > > didn't know anything about the audience > > > participation--they were participating so loudly I > > > couldn't hear the movie, so at least I knew the song > > > lyrics from the lp--those were all I knew. > > > > > > So you could agree that "audience participation" is not > > participation at all, but vandalism and socially tolerated > > mass harrassment? > > > > > > >The next > > > showings I brought toast because I watched what happened > > > before. I liked the music I liked--in an obsessive way. > > > > > > Because you liked the music, you brought toast? Where is > > the logical connection between liking music and bringing > > toast? > > > > > > > > > Bat and RH were 2 I loved. Even without the visuals, I > > > disagree--at least for me they were marvellous and yes, I > > > did memorise them. But no, the movie dialogue was somewhat > > > lost on me. > > > > Did you see how much was lost, and that by not hearing the > > movie, one cannot know what the movie is about? > > > > > > > > >Sorry I didn't make that clear. > > > No, of course the vandalising of the Englert was > > > shameful--I didn't dump the water, I didn't condone it--it > > > occurred the first or second time I attended--all I did > > > was toss 2 pieces of toast at participants at either the > > > second or third showing I attended at the Englert. > > > > Where else can you throw toast at people? Can you go any > > other civilized place and toss toast at the others there? > > How insane did you really feel that behavior was, if the > > movie was a movie and nobody but someone you didn't know > > gave instructions en masse to the audience what they > > should heckle, what they should toss, and what they should > > drown out? Don't you see that the fan club defiles the > > movie in its systematic way? > > > > > > > > >I WAS > > > kinda shocked when the water was dumped by more seasoned > > > movie-goers. > > > > The more seasoned movie goers, where did they come from? > > Already members of the cult they were there to be certain > > that the patterns persisted on their own terms. > > > > > > > > >And the Des Moines Register article didn't > > > appear until that next weekend. > > > > Just to promote either the movie or the cult. > > > > > As for the reat of your post, sorry, I don't understand. > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > No babe, I bought a friggin ticket! > > > > > I'd purchased the picture disc (with Tim Curry tarting it > > > > > up in the fishnets--you would LOVE it!) about the same > > > > > time I bought the new Bat 1 and caught the movie the first > > > > > time it hit town. > > > > > > > > Thaya bought tickets until she fenagled the theater owner > > > > to let our boys do the security for the place and thus let > > > > our group in first and free. This ultimately resulted in > > > > one fateful moment the whole thing nearly shut down and I > > > > stopped the owner from shutting it down (I didn't realize > > > > there was a larger agenda contra to my interests involving > > > > the movie at the time) by redirecting the attentions of > > > > the security to people milling around in front of the > > > > theater and heckling. This action began the orderly lines > > > > at the side of the theater and a no-standing zone in front > > > > of the theater. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Iowa City may well have been the first > > > > > place in Iowa to have shown it, however as the University > > > > > has a very progressive student body, no doubt someone had > > > > > lobbied, IC is alot different than much of the state. > > > > > > > > Who, do you imagine, might have motivated such a movement > > > > if such existed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It simply wasn't me! I did have all the lyrics memorised > > > > > so when the audience (who had the audience script down but > > > > > not alot of dressing up)drowned out the movie, I still > > > > > knew the words! > > > > > > > > An interest in Bat Out Of Hell does not readily translate > > > > into an interest in Rocky Horror at that time and place, > > > > but an interest in Rocky Horror readily translated to an > > > > interest in Meat Loaf. With all due respect to the high > > > > quality and catchiness of the songs, they weren't built > > > > for stand-alone greatness, but for supporting the visuals, > > > > and without the visuals, one hardly had an impetus for > > > > learning all the words....and the words you knew were the > > > > songs, not the spoken words in between them, except you > > > > fail to differentiate that here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I went a couple more times that week and brought > > > > > toast--the Englert had a balcony--it was actually an old > > > > > opera house--and someone smuggled a 5 gallon bucket in, > > > > > filled it with water, and dumped it from the balcony > > > > > during the rain scene! That little stunt made the Des > > > > > Moines Register--if I can find the archive on the > > > > > Register's site, I can show you that date, so at least you > > > > > can see that your history of the film's distribution was > > > > > not consistant with the entire country. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you thought that vandalizing a movie theater was a > > > > good idea? It was not consistent with the entire country > > > > because you, Thaya, had such an interest in that region of > > > > the country and had control over where it was shown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the time I was involved in alot of other things, mainly > > > > > the pagan community in IC, as well as working, prepping > > > > > for college, showing my second bully, Maggie, and planning > > > > > to go to Britain. > > > > > > > > Thaya has also had involvements in the pagan community, > > > > and told me she is a witch, a high priestess. She never > > > > wanted to describe her coven. So what. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shows, as I recalled, were sold out that week. > > > > > After the water though, they never showed it at the > > > > > Englert again. > > > > > > > > Of course you understand that your influence has its > > > > boundaries or at least did at that time in that case. Or > > > > did you just want to shut it down after the token RH run? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the early 80's I did attend one more showing I'd > > > > > forgotten about at another IC theatre when a RH resergence > > > > > on sorts happened--I bet that's what you meant about the > > > > > fan club's distributing after '81--IC must have gotten an > > > > > early one. > > > > > > > > In 1981 numerous prints were made after the rights were > > > > formally given by 20th Century Fox to the Fan Club. Until > > > > then there were about only five prints in existence. > > > > > > > > These rights, by the way, included the pulled copyrights > > > > from Jim's side as part of a failure settlement, and Jim > > > > obtained no monies from those new reproductions, but the > > > > Fan Club and 20th Century Fox were able to share the > > > > profits. > > > > > > > > The Fan Club says they make no money, but they also sell > > > > books written with fake details they are calling facts > > > > about the start of the RH cult and craze, leaving out > > > > details that are significant, adding details of things > > > > which never happened, and raising Smith's status to them > > > > as being the man who was Richard O'Brien who wrote it and > > > > played Riff Raff. That they made these falsities is > > > > something that they scurilously, maliciously, and > > > > aggressively protect, using among other things, character > > > > assassinations and other creative deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, wasn't me who brought it either time. I thought about > > > > > looking into the fan club but was too busy with other > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > No need, as Thaya's name is nowhere seen in any of their > > > > history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Horror was playing in Iowa City in 1979, perhaps 1978. I saw it before I left for England in the spring of 1980 and I believe I was still in high school--I graduated in 1978. A group of us trashed the theatre one night and and article was written about the showing and incident in the Des Moines Register--I have the article ina scrapbook. > > > > > > > Hell, you don't even have details and facts right about > > > > > > > the distribution of the damn movie! > > > > > > > How very consistant with all your bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it was playing there, you were the one who took it > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan, you pathetic stupid bitch--I AM NOT THAYA! Your > > > > > > > > > post is total nonsense. What the hell is a ganook? An egg > > > > > > > > > in the womb? You are nuts. > > > > > > > > > And of course Mutt Lange is a trend-setter--and yes, with > > > > > > > > > Shania Twain's fusion of country to pop, damned right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Puleeze. Or maybe Aaaaan Puleeze. Whatever. Twain's > > > > > > > > fusion is lucky its not her hips to the opry > > > > > > > > traditionalists. Pretty face, but not my idea of country. > > > > > > > > Pop and country don't mix because one is pop and one is > > > > > > > > country. Now, I know where some great pop performers have > > > > > > > > made some interesting forays pleasantly into a country > > > > > > > > atmosphere, but to put pop together with country and call > > > > > > > > it a fusion is ridiculous. The whole guitar twangy thing > > > > > > > > in Nowhere Fast is a nice effect, and maybe it could cross > > > > > > > > over to country, for example in the The Dream Engine > > > > > > > > collection, but I would not call it a country fusion. The > > > > > > > > whole idea of fusion this and fusion that is solely to > > > > > > > > confuse. The kind of fusion that a so-called fusion is, is > > > > > > > > confusion. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're as ignorant about that aspect of music as you are > > > > > > > > > on the rest of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Even if I don't know something now, it is easy to > > > > > > > > learn. Lange was not on the primary focus in thought. But > > > > > > > > a look at his accomplishments do not render him in my view > > > > > > > > a trendsetter. He is a background guy, in every capacity. > > > > > > > > You could only know if he is a trendsetter if you know him > > > > > > > > and know what he is doing. Otherwise, he has been involved > > > > > > > > in nothing particularly stellar in my opinion, even if he > > > > > > > > did involve himself with Def Leppard at the time when Jim > > > > > > > > was to be working with them. Hmmmm.....that didn't have > > > > > > > > anything to do with that situation, did it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now that Leesa M in Arizona shot your accusations of > > > > > > > > > her being multiple personalities down, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denials do not tantamount to "shooting down" of truth. > > > > > > > > Deny and deny all you want. Those assertions are > > > > > > > > preposterous. I wrote about the myspace page and explained > > > > > > > > its content before that post ever made the board. I have > > > > > > > > nothing else to say on that. It is a stupid volley of > > > > > > > > stupid arguments by someone who did not create a logical > > > > > > > > construction of their deception. Is there such a thing as > > > > > > > > a logical construction of deception? Thankfully not, no > > > > > > > > matter how logical the deceivers want to be. It takes only > > > > > > > > good logic to see through deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you're back to > > > > > > > > > calling me Thaya--so I'm a baroness and Sandra Cabot as > > > > > > > > > well I suppose and you called me in December of 1980 and > > > > > > > > > all that bullshit--and you believe this?? So what is > > > > > > > > > 'Thaya' doing in Iowa? Posing as a resident for 23 yrs in > > > > > > > > > the same place? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I first wondered what Thaya was doing in Idaho, where > > > > > > > > Thaya admits to being, for about as long now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does your private eye say about > > > > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you referring to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, Hal, and Smith--don't have a clue. I've seen RH at > > > > > > > > > the Englert Theatre in Iowa City 3 times in my life in the > > > > > > > > > mid '70's--whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It fucking wasn't in Iowa in the mid-seventies. It didn't > > > > > > > > open in the Waverly until 1976, and prints for > > > > > > > > distribution weren't put around by the wankering awful fan > > > > > > > > club until after 1981. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You saw it three times you say, and you have all this > > > > > > > > stock put into what someone says about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of your 'research' on virtually everything is bullshit > > > > > > > > > and you simply can't face the fact that you wasted all > > > > > > > > > that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasted alot of time believing people who could not be > > > > > > > > believed but looked believable. And by the way none of my > > > > > > > > time with Jim was wasted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is not one concrete shred of evidence to > > > > > > > > > support anything. Just your mental illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are too much. I know many people who are quite willing > > > > > > > > to swear on the bible that the grass in a park is not > > > > > > > > green if they were given enough incentive to. So give it > > > > > > > > up. I've got lots of evidence visible to you and everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wanna call me 'Thaya'? Whatever. I guess if Jim puts > > > > > > > > > up with you calling him several different names on his own > > > > > > > > > fansite, I'll tolerate your insanity and inability to > > > > > > > > > understand who I am as well.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's called admission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course no one ever wins an argument with you--you make > > > > > > > > > no fucking sense to argue with! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, that's not what you used to say. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
| reply | | |
| Previous: | re: Disgracefully Yours - Leesa 04:34 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| Next: | re: Disgracefully Yours - daveake 07:56 am UTC 07/21/07 |
| Thread: | |