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pidunk 08:54 pm UTC 08/22/07 |
| In reply to: | Air Supply vids - Bright_Eyes 05:51 am UTC 08/21/07 |
> Youtube has at least a couple of vids of Air Supply > performing their one Jim song in 2007. > > They are > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHQtf8qQkc > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td9eya0onEk > > The two vids don't sound much different from each other. I > think of it as neither an exceptionally poor nor great > rendition of the song. > > I guess I'm impressed that such an old singer still has a > singing voice that close to his younger sound. I believe that it is a lot of exercise and good nutrition and the blessing of good health that gives such a quality to an older singer's voice. If there is a laxity or an unavoidable debility in those areas then of course there would be a difference. The "recipe" of larynx, diaphragm, breath/lungs, is like the components of a car engine....keep them in good lubricated and tuned condition, crank it up well, and you can go for miles and miles. > > Recently on this board we've had quite a few vids and > bootlegs of people performing Jim's music live. As far as > I'm concerned the people who sing at the OTT and TDE shows > are the best singers, and most true to Jim's style, of all > the people in the world who've sung Jim's work in the past > three years. I still do not like them, but I respect what > the TDE-people have to offer. I like this statement for its embedded contradiction, they are the best but you don't like them......and I don't feel but the opposite, where I could see that others could do better justice to the works, but none have recently, and I do like them, as singers in their own right, but not for the natures of these works. > > So it kinda is a shame that all of these other acts are > out touring successfully, meanwhile Dream-Engine is at the > moment nothing but a low-traffic website. It's like they > exist only on the internet and in the mind of Steven > Rinkoff. Rinkoff may be a music-co-producer with Jim, but I don't really know if he has it all together in the follow-through for a large scale production. He may benefit by bringing in some people with him who can take the concept and turn it into something that can steam up and fog some windows. > > I have a theory about the nature of Jim and Rinkoff's > talent. They have a load of talent at writing songs and > making recordings. I had not been aware of Rinkoff having written any songs. What has he written? As for recordings, I don't know if he has actually gone into full scale senior production prior to The Dream Engine. What other credits does he have? >They have pretty much no talent at > developing an artist or project. Jim developed Meat Loaf, we can see that. Jim has a lot of alacrity in developing talent and has done so in the past. Jim Cypherd brought the band, famous now for Danny Elfman, "Oingo Boingo" their first recording opportunities. I won't go into details of things that Jim Cypherd has shared information with me about in terms of this, but Bonnie Tyler has a thing or two to say about the work he has done with her. >A guy like Clive Davis, > unlike Jim, just has an intuitive sense of what will work > in the current, always-changing market. Clive Davis turned Jim down flat. Clive Davis was penalized for corruption in radio "Playola" and has had an established reputation for having dirty hands. He has not been brought on the carpet, so to speak, for a very long long time, but the influence he has may not be so much about his intuitive sense than his power. Clive Davis has been the make and break for many artists on whims, as far as I could see, and though he has done many good things for many great artists, I do feel that giving him the credit for being a music talent sage is beyond due. I'm not altogether separated from this, as I knew one of his Arista label corporate officers, as well as one of his signees, and of course his rejectees, Jim and Meat Loaf. I also had one of the most silly kinds of connections, as apparently the successor to his position as what I think was President of Columbia records at one time, turned out to be the (recently then deceased) father of one co-worker I had for a time, who decided he liked having the credit for the work that I did. The name of the label "Arista" reminds me of the Honor Society's name at my high school, which was also called "Arista" but the label came along two years after I graduated from high school. I wasn't in Arista, the Honor Society, but it was well known in the school. >He can't write, > but Clive's talent is no less real than that of the > brilliant writer. Jim, and Steven Rinkoff, on the other > hand, waste time trying to create and develop projects and > artists that were unrealistic ideas from the start. Clive can't write, and I don't know what Rinkoff can write, and he is credited for having talent, but seems like it is more power than talent, as such. With respect to Clive Davis, I am a cynic from the word "Payola". I also do not believe that he could justify the way he could permit one artist the levity to do what he wanted and created a hugely successful now standard symphonic opus in the process, and turned Jim down for being not in the stream of contemporary music. It seemed to me in that recounting, that CD did not have talent on his mind, but more like indigestion from a bad bologna sandwich. >They > offer Westlife intros and re-mixes that are obviously not > a good fit for the artist, but that indulge in Steinman's > own taste. The whole idea that they "offer" intros and re-mixes that are not a good fit for the artist, seems to me like someone is laughing in some backroom somewhere, saying, "Let's see what he'll do with THIS!" >With the partial exception of some Meat Loaf > work, just off the top of my head, I don't think an artist > or project developed under Jim or Steve's guidance has > ever become successful. Bonnie Tyler, may have a thing or two in disagreement with this. Before the song that we all associate with her work with Jim the most, she did not have a music presence for, as one DJ told me, five years. At that point, she was by some, at least that DJ, a "has been". I don't see any similarity between "It's A Heartache" and anything on the album "Faster Than The Speed Of Night". Jim Cypherd as a ghost in the shadows, has done much to create or aid others' successes, and he may like to have the kudos but has not pursued the credit. He has told me he could develop other artists but not himself, in a lament. I think when inspired properly, he could. >They have been quite successful at > feeding songs and recordings to projects and artists > created and guided by others, like Polanski's Tanz, or the > career of Celine Dion. When given to Manilow, Jim's insistence was that he produce it, and I don't know about the others but he usually has more of the involvement than he is given credit for. If you ever got into a conversation with Jim Cypherd about his work, you would discover he can really speak with authority and knowledge about every aspect, from experience. On the other hand, he does have a talent for dumbing himself down as well. > > I read the internet-fan-rumor lower down on the board that > the male singer is fired and replaced by a girl singer. If > that's the case it must mean record companies really > really hate Rob Evans. Firing your founding lead-singer is > something you only do when you're desperate, rejected, > exhausted, quivering, shitting yourself, and inches from > death. In some cases, you'd think that some people do the silliest things that they do, as if they are desperate, rejected, exhausted, quivering, shitting themselves, and inches from death. > > I doubt it makes a difference. Dream-Engine has "existed" > for almost two years now and the tiny number of people who > are supposedly it's biggest fans still are somewhat > unclear as to how it would work. There's just something > not-encouraging about that. The problem is that it is far too early for anyone to be "fans" of The Dream Engine. > > I think if I were appointed Chief Strategist for TDE, I > would just cancel it completely. Similarly, I'd also > cancel the Bat musical, and anything else Jim Steinman has > in the works. It's like when you're at the craps table, > sometimes you need to quit before you lose any more. But > I'm probably very different from Jim's fan-base, because > of my view that Jim has already done enough work and > needn't try to do anything more in his career. Only Jim would come up with a comment like that, because he would go into a mood, when he has just about had all that he can or would take, and just want to roll the ball into another field. Jim Cypherd has his moods when he has a situation of frustration, where the ends just come into other ends, and the split ends seem like nothing that Breck can fix. He has dropped out before, he could if so wanting, drop out again, and it would as he may feel, a chance to do something else, do nothing, or refresh what he has done before, and there is alot he can put on his plate at any given time. He can rake leaves, mow the lawn, and write, but not have any particular project in mind. If Jim were to drop out, what ever reason he would have would have a lot of personal connotations to it, not because he lacks fans, or a fan community, and if this is Jim making this comment, then he is saying he really does not like the fan's community's status quo. He is feeling down-put by the kinds of behaviors, and he is discouraged by the lacks of encouragement by others. If Bright_Eyes is or is not Jim, he is definitely expressing views in ways that Jim Cypherd would and could, right down to the blithe comments about others' talents and the claimed lacks of his own. I've been looking with interest to Bright_Eyes' statements, and spare the judgment, until perhaps this post and another post give me cause to bring this out. I tend to take what Bright_Eyes has to say, quite seriously. | |
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