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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 03:31 pm UTC 09/05/07 |
| In reply to: | Neverland - Bright_Eyes 08:14 pm UTC 09/01/07 |
| Were not over romanzing Neverland. We know Jim writes most songs based on Neverland. It shuts Susans lies up anyway. And I am not having that taken from me > I believe a lot of Jim Steinman fans have an > over-romanticized view of what "Neverland" is supposed to > be. If the BAT musical is finished it may force them to > revise that part of their Steinman mythology. > > If Jim's current fans were sent back to the audience of > the 1977 workshop, they might find it low-budget, minimal > and uninspiring. If it had been the greatest thing since > Total Eclipse of the Heart, there probably would have been > more than just a brief workshop production of it. In many > ways, it may have sucked. > > I also think some Jim Steinman fans are too rigid about > the Neverland concept and storyline, where they expect it > to fit what was done in that 1977 workshop. Chances are, > the Spielberg movie that Jim was rumored to want to make, > and the current BAT musical project, are very different > from the tiny 1977 play. > > Songwriters have always had a lot of tricks to help them > get started writing something. Diane Warren says she > watches a movie and then tries to write a song that fits > the movie, but without getting too specific. Many > songwriters use their own personal experiences to get > started. > > According to interviews, a high percentage of what Jim > writes is "from" "Neverland", and this may mean that > thinking about parts of a hypothetical Neverland story > helps him get started. It may be Jim's writing trick. That > really is very different from there being a finished > project based on Peter Pan. Neverland The Muse and > Neverland The Play don't have to be the same thing. > > It's clear that Jim for decades had some interest in a > project based on a Peter Pan storyline. It remains to be > seen if one attempt at a musical based on a Peter Pan > storyline will even be to Jim Steinman's liking. And > whether audiences will find it a good fit for Jim's music > also remains to be seen. > > If the BAT musical is finished, fans may later conclude > that the Tanz storyline was a better fit for Jim's music > than a Peter Pan storyline. > > Some fans probably think of the BAT musical as Jim's > Ultimate Project or his Grand Vision. It may be that in a > way but it also is subject to the same limitations as any > other real musical theater project. Jim can set the > direction in some ways but he can't control everything. He > will have to give up authority, and live with the existing > habits that his director, choreographer, designers etc. > bring to it. Also the project will still be expected to > make money, and may follow commercial instincts rather > than the vision Jim had in the 1970's. > > The thing about Neverland for Jim's fans is that they > build up their ideas about it just based on what they're > told, without ever seeing a full production of it. There's > no reality check, where they go to a show and see if they > like it or not. There's really no way the BAT musical can > fit the myth some fans have for Neverland, but it could > still be a worthwhile show to attend. > > Most of the people who go to see it, will not already know > all the songs, maybe a few but not all. And they won't > have any theories about what the storyline or Neverland is > supposed to be, or what significance it is supposed to > have. For them it's a new rock musical with new songs for > pure entertainment purposes. The show is probably being > made with those spectators in mind, not for the > obsessives, or the Steinman vision purist who has already > memorized all the songs in the show. | |
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