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Leesa (gallytrotter@mchsi.com) 02:29 pm UTC 09/18/07 |
| In reply to: | re: It's not about paying for RR... - Pudding 04:35 am UTC 09/18/07 |
| Well, nobody wants what we've had the last five months here. But what exactly was the problem and what would effectively change it? The elephant in the room, so to speak, was Susan. What made Susan unique to any other posters we've had was the fact she believed alot of fantasy/crackpot theories/tall tales/fan fiction, what have you. It went beyond entertainment value for her as she actually believed it. She fantasised about having a history with Steinman and when he denied it, she at first ran off, embarrassed being found out, then came back with tales of two Jims now. What made the situation impossible for many of us was when she began accusing Steinman of not writing his stuff, having photos he claimed were him on this site, but were actually this Cypherd character and deliberately trying to confuse people. It's pretty obvious she's Bright Eyes so we have imposter posting in this as well. First off, when someone comes on a fansite and accuses that celebrity of doing things, writing or not writing stuff, etc. and the fans are up in arms to the point the celebrity responds on their blog to clarify themselves, and the nut comes back and tries to peddle the lies again, any other site removes that individual. This isn't like Meat Loaf's site where we only talk happy talk about the Meatie One and have great Meat Days, but we don't slander Jim, or his fans, with lies. She should have been banned, pure and simple. Now how to prevent a reoccurrance? Say she cops yet another name/new IP and is back. We start hearing about how Jim Cypherd is responsible for all this and those are his photos, etc., then JD needs to give that person a warning like she did Susan in the end, that this is about Steinman, not Cypherd and stick to her guns. Credit cards aren't going to do anything. JD knows pretty much who's who from the registration we already have--it'd be up her anyway to ban them with credit card info or with what she already has before her now. The thing is, in the 10 yrs the RR has been around, and the Jimlist's history as well, Susan has been the only reason we've had to reshape any of this site. The way some posters responded to Susan did fan the flames, but you can't have people slandering the way she did on this site and expect fans to not feel like they need to defend Jim. I still choose to see this as isolated and watch what happens when/if she returns. She starts off on the Cypherd shit again and she needs to be removed. She has her own website for that nonsense.Jim deserves better. But there's really nothing proactive we can do now that's going to really matter. Leesa > The credit card idea was Justin's NOT mine, but it's an > idea that has some merit that's why I've mentioned it a > couple of times. To stand still means we're not moving > forward and if we accept the way the board is now, then we > can't complain when it ends up again like it was 2 weeks > ago. > > These are just ideas, that aren't forced upon anyone. > > The Jim Steinman website, Jim Steinman's blog are kinda > deficant on regular news, The Neverland Chronicles would > be a guaranteed update/retrospect view/fan opinons etc etc > etc package every 2 months or every month. > > People always want something for nothing and if they have > to pay for it, they feel robbed. That's why some people > will object to the NL Chronicle idea as they can get it > for free off the internet. > > > > Pud, we've ALL gone crazy since Markus' girlfriend > > left--the RR abhors the proverbial vacuum, you know and > > Ryan's been busy. As for credit cards required for > > registration to post here, there would be far more > > problems than solutions. I for one would rather not have > > secure information disclosed to forum administers just to > > prove who I am. > > The entire problem we've had here (hell, Pud, the only > > really bad one since you and I have been here) was Susan. > > So she and Bright Eyes can 'each' produce credit cards. > > That won't prevent anything. The same answer goes back to > > booting people like that as soon as they begin > > hallucinating that Jim has morphed 39 times...the bottom > > line is that 'crazy' is hard to define and not always bad, > > per se. 'Mentally ill' is different. > > As for the Neverland Chronicles, I think Daniel mentioned > > some posts back about how much has changed in 8 years and > > how obsolete that format and it's context has become. It > > would be cool, but possibly quite costly and of interest > > to only a very limited, specialed interest group. Unless > > JD or another fan wants to take it on, but I think you're > > looking at an lp vs CD conversion in communique and > > content. > > I think Markus is right in feeling that the IP exposure > > will cut down on the many multiple personalities here. > > Which probably should be addressed, all things > > considered. > > As for curtailing the Susans/'mentally ill', which are not > > necessarily the 'crazies', you just have to boot them. > > Period. Should have happened in April. When someone comes > > on here and begins slandering Jim to the degree that he > > didn't write his music, his photos posted aren't him and > > it continues after the man denies it on his blog, they > > should be cut no quarter. > > There's no over the board solution to address this one > > weird problem. > > Credit Cards just are an unnecessary hassle. > > Leesa > > > > > Hang on there cowboy, I think you've gone a little nutty > > > since your girlfriend left. > > > > > > I've already admitted that the idea isn't perfect, which > > > is something you've conveniently forgotten to enable you > > > to have a bit of a mad ramble. Justin and myself aren't > > > trying to force anything upon anyone, especially JD, so > > > quit the dramatics. We're openly discussing the > > > possibilities of trying to stop future looney's from > > > invading the board. One way is for people to register > > > using a $1 credit card donation, which means that their > > > real name is logged and not some anonymous nutter. That > > > doesn't mean their real name is displayed, that would > > > still be a nickname of their choosing. > > > > > > It's just an idea Justin had, that's ALL, nothing forced > > > upon anyone. > > > > > > And yes you ARE kissing ass.......AGAIN ;o) > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know itīs only one $ but I THINK you (& Justin) > > > > should just stop trying to force JD to roll up the whole > > > > thing and enjoy the absence of mad Susan. Because to me it > > > > seems like the whole madness is gone since the moment she > > > > was banned. > > > > > > > > I like RR as it is and I still think JD does a great job. > > > > I said it before that I am against banning people. > > > > I think they all should get more than one chance to > > > > integrate. > > > > Susan wasnīt able to do this and I think JD waited too > > > > long with banning her. > > > > To show the ip is a good idea and it should be implemented > > > > by now (but I know JD has other and surely more important > > > > things to do than RR from time to time and I wish her all > > > > the best!) :) > > > > And no, this is no ass kissing itīs my true feelings. > > > > > > > > Markus. > > > > > > > > > ...it's about trying to find a way of weeding out the > > > > > crazies. And the possibility of resurrecting Neverland > > > > > Chronicles. If doing one works and helps pay for the > > > > > running costs of the other, then it's a suggestion that's > > > > > worth serious consideration. | |
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