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| BEST FKING POST I HAVE EVER READ RE: SUSAN | |
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rockfenris2005 03:23 am UTC 09/19/07 |
| In reply to: | re: It's not about paying for RR... - Leesa 02:29 pm UTC 09/18/07 |
!!!!! > Well, nobody wants what we've had the last five months > here. But what exactly was the problem and what would > effectively change it? > The elephant in the room, so to speak, was Susan. What > made Susan unique to any other posters we've had was the > fact she believed alot of fantasy/crackpot theories/tall > tales/fan fiction, what have you. It went beyond > entertainment value for her as she actually believed it. > She fantasised about having a history with Steinman and > when he denied it, she at first ran off, embarrassed being > found out, then came back with tales of two Jims now. > What made the situation impossible for many of us was when > she began accusing Steinman of not writing his stuff, > having photos he claimed were him on this site, but were > actually this Cypherd character and deliberately trying to > confuse people. It's pretty obvious she's Bright Eyes so > we have imposter posting in this as well. > First off, when someone comes on a fansite and accuses > that celebrity of doing things, writing or not writing > stuff, etc. and the fans are up in arms to the point the > celebrity responds on their blog to clarify themselves, > and the nut comes back and tries to peddle the lies again, > any other site removes that individual. This isn't like > Meat Loaf's site where we only talk happy talk about the > Meatie One and have great Meat Days, but we don't slander > Jim, or his fans, with lies. > She should have been banned, pure and simple. > Now how to prevent a reoccurrance? Say she cops yet > another name/new IP and is back. We start hearing about > how Jim Cypherd is responsible for all this and those are > his photos, etc., then JD needs to give that person a > warning like she did Susan in the end, that this is about > Steinman, not Cypherd and stick to her guns. > Credit cards aren't going to do anything. JD knows pretty > much who's who from the registration we already have--it'd > be up her anyway to ban them with credit card info or with > what she already has before her now. > The thing is, in the 10 yrs the RR has been around, and > the Jimlist's history as well, Susan has been the only > reason we've had to reshape any of this site. The way some > posters responded to Susan did fan the flames, but you > can't have people slandering the way she did on this site > and expect fans to not feel like they need to defend Jim. > I still choose to see this as isolated and watch what > happens when/if she returns. She starts off on the Cypherd > shit again and she needs to be removed. She has her own > website for that nonsense.Jim deserves better. > But there's really nothing proactive we can do now that's > going to really matter. > Leesa > > > > > > > > The credit card idea was Justin's NOT mine, but it's an > > idea that has some merit that's why I've mentioned it a > > couple of times. To stand still means we're not moving > > forward and if we accept the way the board is now, then we > > can't complain when it ends up again like it was 2 weeks > > ago. > > > > These are just ideas, that aren't forced upon anyone. > > > > The Jim Steinman website, Jim Steinman's blog are kinda > > deficant on regular news, The Neverland Chronicles would > > be a guaranteed update/retrospect view/fan opinons etc etc > > etc package every 2 months or every month. > > > > People always want something for nothing and if they have > > to pay for it, they feel robbed. That's why some people > > will object to the NL Chronicle idea as they can get it > > for free off the internet. > > > > > > > Pud, we've ALL gone crazy since Markus' girlfriend > > > left--the RR abhors the proverbial vacuum, you know and > > > Ryan's been busy. As for credit cards required for > > > registration to post here, there would be far more > > > problems than solutions. I for one would rather not have > > > secure information disclosed to forum administers just to > > > prove who I am. > > > The entire problem we've had here (hell, Pud, the only > > > really bad one since you and I have been here) was Susan. > > > So she and Bright Eyes can 'each' produce credit cards. > > > That won't prevent anything. The same answer goes back to > > > booting people like that as soon as they begin > > > hallucinating that Jim has morphed 39 times...the bottom > > > line is that 'crazy' is hard to define and not always bad, > > > per se. 'Mentally ill' is different. > > > As for the Neverland Chronicles, I think Daniel mentioned > > > some posts back about how much has changed in 8 years and > > > how obsolete that format and it's context has become. It > > > would be cool, but possibly quite costly and of interest > > > to only a very limited, specialed interest group. Unless > > > JD or another fan wants to take it on, but I think you're > > > looking at an lp vs CD conversion in communique and > > > content. > > > I think Markus is right in feeling that the IP exposure > > > will cut down on the many multiple personalities here. > > > Which probably should be addressed, all things > > > considered. > > > As for curtailing the Susans/'mentally ill', which are not > > > necessarily the 'crazies', you just have to boot them. > > > Period. Should have happened in April. When someone comes > > > on here and begins slandering Jim to the degree that he > > > didn't write his music, his photos posted aren't him and > > > it continues after the man denies it on his blog, they > > > should be cut no quarter. > > > There's no over the board solution to address this one > > > weird problem. > > > Credit Cards just are an unnecessary hassle. > > > Leesa > > > > > > > Hang on there cowboy, I think you've gone a little nutty > > > > since your girlfriend left. > > > > > > > > I've already admitted that the idea isn't perfect, which > > > > is something you've conveniently forgotten to enable you > > > > to have a bit of a mad ramble. Justin and myself aren't > > > > trying to force anything upon anyone, especially JD, so > > > > quit the dramatics. We're openly discussing the > > > > possibilities of trying to stop future looney's from > > > > invading the board. One way is for people to register > > > > using a $1 credit card donation, which means that their > > > > real name is logged and not some anonymous nutter. That > > > > doesn't mean their real name is displayed, that would > > > > still be a nickname of their choosing. > > > > > > > > It's just an idea Justin had, that's ALL, nothing forced > > > > upon anyone. > > > > > > > > And yes you ARE kissing ass.......AGAIN ;o) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know itīs only one $ but I THINK you (& Justin) > > > > > should just stop trying to force JD to roll up the whole > > > > > thing and enjoy the absence of mad Susan. Because to me it > > > > > seems like the whole madness is gone since the moment she > > > > > was banned. > > > > > > > > > > I like RR as it is and I still think JD does a great job. > > > > > I said it before that I am against banning people. > > > > > I think they all should get more than one chance to > > > > > integrate. > > > > > Susan wasnīt able to do this and I think JD waited too > > > > > long with banning her. > > > > > To show the ip is a good idea and it should be implemented > > > > > by now (but I know JD has other and surely more important > > > > > things to do than RR from time to time and I wish her all > > > > > the best!) :) > > > > > And no, this is no ass kissing itīs my true feelings. > > > > > > > > > > Markus. > > > > > > > > > > > ...it's about trying to find a way of weeding out the > > > > > > crazies. And the possibility of resurrecting Neverland > > > > > > Chronicles. If doing one works and helps pay for the > > > > > > running costs of the other, then it's a suggestion that's > > > > > > worth serious consideration. | |
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