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rockfenris2005 02:21 pm UTC 04/22/08 |
| In reply to: | re: Bat Musical musings.... - Scaramouche 01:46 pm UTC 04/22/08 |
Sorry, I wasn't being too specific. If you look at the 1st and 2nd verses and choruses of "Edging Into Darkness", musically, they're the 2nd half of "Bad For Good". A better example would be to listen to "Song of The Dream Engine". It's the same thing, musically, just the melodic and lyrical lines are a little different. The bridge in "Edging Into Darkness" does connect with the guitar solo/intro and chorus of "Bat Out Of Hell". ie. "I'd sacrifice myself at any price..." becomes "Like a bat out of hell, I'll be gone when the morning comes." It's more of a loose reference than what "Bad For Good" Part II/"Song of The Dream Engine" is but I noticed it right away. The third part is obvious. But some people don't notice that Jim recycles riffs/introductions more than he recycles entire melodies. The third part of "Edging Into Darkness" is just the riff to "Making Love". > I think you get confused with same chord progressions > meaning the song is a copy? > > Millions of songs have the same chord progressions, but it > doesn't make them a copy. There are only a limited amount > of chords in any one key and therefore impossible for all > songs to have different progressions/changes. > > You can inject 'colour' into standard progressions by > adding 6th, 7th & 9th notes, and/or different bass lines. > > The main thing that makes a song different is the melody > and of course the lyrics. > > The melodies in the two verses/choruses and bridge of > 'Edging Into Darkness' are (to me) nothing like 'Bad For > Good' and 'Bat'. > > I 'think' the chord progressions in the chorus are the > same as the 'god speed' parts in Bad For Good, but not > sure about Bat chords in the 'bridge'. > > In the last section the 'Making Love' piano riff is > obviously used but the vocal melody is slightly > different. > > > > Re: "Edging Into Darkness". Well, look at it this way. The > > first half became the title track on "Bad For Good". The > > bridge became the chorus to "Bat Out Of Hell" (I don't > > care what anyone else says. I will demonstrate it if I > > must) and the rest became "Making Love Out Of Nothing At > > All". That either would up or lower the chances of "Edging > > Into Darkness" becoming a hit. Either way, it's pretty > > interesting. I love "Nocturnally Yours". > > > > > Why did Ray have more of an issue with Milady, than > > > Future...? > > > > > > If Ray does hold the music rights, and Jim wants to re-use > > > stuff, surely they could come to a financial agreement? > > > > > > I think Ray may be a little too 'precious' over this show, > > > which has never really taken off. > > > > > > It's highly unlikely that TCM will ever see the light of > > > day again, and Jim is likely to create something more > > > financially rewarding with the music? A win/win for both > > > of them? > > > > > > BTW #1 - I heard someone else took a liberty and re-wrote > > > Milady (cough cough) LOL! > > > > > > BTW #2 - I can see 'Edging Into Darkness' and 'Nocturnally > > > Yours' being hits, or at least good album tracks for > > > someone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was never any specific argument/debate over "The > > > > Future Ain't What It Used To Be". Ray knows about it, > > > > certainly, but that wasn't the reason Pandora's Box wasn't > > > > released in the US. The real issue was when Jim wanted to > > > > reuse the melody for "Milady" (hence "For Sarah".) I > > > > believe Jim had to beg Ray for that and Ray gave in. But > > > > I'm under the impression that it won't happen again. | |
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