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rockfenris2005 09:02 am UTC 05/29/08 |
| In reply to: | re: PS. Paradise Lost does exist - Smeghead 08:23 am UTC 05/29/08 |
Jim had the idea for "Back Into Hell", not Meat Loaf, just like he had the idea for "The Final At Bat". Financial reasons or whatever, it was Jim's concept. Just like "Terminator" was James Cameron's concept and "Rise Of The Machines" shouldn't have existed OR should have existed as James Cameron's conclusion. "Rise Of The Machines" obviously sucks without its creator's influence and "The Monster Is Loose" definitely sucks without Jim's influence. I'd say the same if Harrison Ford, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas weren't involved with "Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull". Whatever Jim was thinking, it was his beast, his creature, and not Meat's mutant. Besides, if you call it "The Monster Is Loose", it gets the same appreciation as "Bad Attitude" which is still a good album. And yes, Jim wrote much of the material he had in mind for "The Final At Bat". A lot of conflicting stories get thrown around in the Steinman world but if you hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, unless it has reasons to tell lies? > No, if it existed Jim would have had TDE singing it when > he was deperate for new material. God has Left the > Building which version? The instrumental which was just > recycled bits or the bit that was Total Eclipse's music > with Adapted Kunze lyrics? It didn't exist for 14 years. > And Jim gave up the title when he allowed Meat to steal it > without a fight. There never was a Bt 3 concept in Jim's > Head. Just as there wasn't really a Bat 2 concept. Jim's > only real Bat concept is Neverland. All the Bat albums > are just Jim throwing together whatever songs he's had > written at the moment. Thus the fact that Bat 1 was > recycled from the Neverland musical, Bat 2 was recycled > from BFG and PB, Bat 3 was recycled from any Jim songs > Meat could get his hands on and if TDE had gone through it > would have been recycled from any songs Jim had written > Pre-stroke that he hadn't used, whether they were recycled > from Batman, DOTV or other sources. Jim's most original > albums were Dead Ringer (except More Than You Deserve), > and BFG (except for the DIMP title... and who knows how > much of the song was recycled from Neverland.) > > Jim doesn't really ever write original albums or musicals. > His entire careerer is recycling what he has written > before. Doesn't make it all bad... just have to realize > that he doesn't have ideas that form cohesive projects > that he works to fulfill. Tanz was all recycled material. > Neverland had bits recycled from previous works like > Confidence Man and More Than Your Deserve and it was just > really a recycled or refined version of The Dream Engine. > And now the BOOH musical is going to recycle Batman > songs.... > > No Bat projects has been part of some grand trilogy Jim > envisioned from the begining and had fully formed. It was > just whatever Jim had written previously that he could > recycle mixed with new songs that didn't fit any overall > vision. Bat one was 3 songs from Neverland another that > was envisioned from Neverland and three new songs that had > nothing to do with Neverland... Bat 2 was basically the > same thing... > > > > > As does "God Has Left The Building" which has existed for > > 14 years. | |
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