| re: Meat, Jim and Presidents of the US of A | |
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Max 04:48 am UTC 07/28/08 |
| In reply to: | re: Meat, Jim and Presidents of the US of A - Pudding 04:27 am UTC 07/28/08 |
| Speaking a leader speaks nothing about a particular philosophic understanding of the issues being addressed. Obama can talk to whomever he likes but i doubt hell say much that i would want to hear. If the argument is let's hunt down and kill al-qaeda why not do it in Iraq where there is undeniable evidence that al-qaeda now sadly operates though thankfully increasingly ineffectively? Neither i nor, i think, anyone else on this board can speak to Obama's personal character and general goodness; however, im more inclined to think negatively of his character given his relationship with the radical black separatist for, as he admitted, political benefit. While on the topic of Obama's crew consider one of foreign policy advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski. Saying anything against John McCain really doesnt mean much to me in an evaluation of Obama. I dont think there is any great difference between them aside from the war in Iraq - an difference open to debate. > No your right it isn't, but it's a start. What's > fundamental about actually speaking to the leader of > another country? surely that's good policy. What's > fundamental anout wanting to get out of a war that you > shouldn't have started in the first place? What's > fundamental about ACTUALLY capturing or killing Bin Laden > just because he's in Pakistan? > > People like Obama because he's a genuinely nice guy, > people don't like Bush because he's an arrogant dumb piece > of shit and people aren't too fond of McCain because he's > a grumpy old bastard who for better or worse is going to > follow Bush's plans, which are pretty fucked up to say the > least. > > To be the best leader you surround yourself by the best > people, so needing all this foreign experience is > bullshit. Bush's foreign policy experience totalled > letting the Taliban visit Texas there in 1997 when he was > Governor and having close ties with the Saudi's which > coincidentally was the nationality of 15 of the 19 > hijackers on 9/11. > > McCains foreign policy experience includes him being shot > down and held POW for 5 years in Vietnam. So when McCain > touts 'he knows how to win wars' he doesn't, not unless > the history books are wrong, because America LOST that > one. > > > > Well, being liked isn't a cornerstone of a successful > > foreign policy - in fact the reverse seems more true. > > Given my reservations about Obama's fundamental foreign > > policy i doubt he would be so welled received as he was in > > Europe recently in two or three years. > > > > > Foreigners like him for a start, which is a big plus when > > > you're asking for help. Bush doesn't have many foreign > > > friends, as they think he's a twat. > > > > > > > How is Obama any different than the current administration > > > > in terms of foreign policy? > > > > > > > > > I'd be quite disappointed if that were to happen and doubt > > > > > there will be any changes to foreign and domestic > > > > > politics: ie things will continue as they are. > > > > > > > > > > > Since I'm not interested in voting for McCain or Obama > > > > > > this isn't a politically biased comment... but I think > > > > > > there is probably a slightly higher chance that McCain > > > > > > might win over Obama... > > > > > | |
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