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wordnix 01:41 am UTC 09/11/08 |
| In reply to: | re: The 'Ray' Factor - Pudding 01:37 am UTC 09/11/08 |
| Rest assured, it's Jim. Ryan has neither the time nor the inclination to impersonate Jim (he doesn't want to come here because he's tired of having to deal with some assholes that frequent this place, and believe me, his recent posting spurt surprised even me). As for me, well...I'm wordnix 'cause I want a new start. And thank God I've been granted one. Would I be so reckless as to impersonate Jim? (Don't answer that, I know I wouldn't have been above it before. That said, still, it's not me either.) > Which has me questioning the validity of Wagner actually > being Jim. I still think it's a wind up and until JD > confirms or denies it as such, then I won't think > otherwise. > > > You do know what ammunition you've just given the latter, > > even if the second sentence is considered? > > > > > Everything written by Steve Stuart and Smeg is true. Thats > > > SOME of the facts. > > > WAGNER > > > > > > > > But it is not just his voice. It is his attitude to Jim. > > > > He has lied about his contribution to the song writing > > > > process, he has taken Jim to court, he did the Bat 3 album > > > > without Jim's blessing and then tried to make it sound > > > > like a Steinman project by getting everyone in the "making > > > > of" documentary to go on about Jim (even though they had > > > > brought another writer in). > > > > > > > > And how did Jim react? With great kindness from what I > > > > hear. His feelings were hurt about Bat 3 but he gave Meat > > > > Loaf permission to do the phone ad and he won't speak out > > > > against Meat in public. > > > > > > > > I don't think Ray is much of a factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray has never said word one to me about Loaf. I was not > > > > > as critical of Meat before my contact with Ray because > > > > > prior to 2004 Meat's voice was not as awful... though it > > > > > was going downhill... and he hadn't sued Jim Steinman to > > > > > steal his trademark and claimed he wrote most of the > > > > > lyrics and music to Bat 2. Sounds like you are just > > > > > trying to start some shit.My criticism of Loaf comes from > > > > > his declining vocal quality and his increasing > > > > > assholishness... i.e. suing Jim and lying in a legal > > > > > document he filed. > > > > > > > > > | |
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