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Pudding 01:37 am UTC 09/11/08 |
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re: The 'Ray' Factor - wordnix 01:16 am UTC 09/11/08 |
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Which has me questioning the validity of Wagner actually being Jim. I still think it's a wind up and until JD confirms or denies it as such, then I won't think otherwise.
> You do know what ammunition you've just given the latter,
> even if the second sentence is considered?
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> > Everything written by Steve Stuart and Smeg is true. Thats
> > SOME of the facts.
> > WAGNER
> > >
> > > But it is not just his voice. It is his attitude to Jim.
> > > He has lied about his contribution to the song writing
> > > process, he has taken Jim to court, he did the Bat 3 album
> > > without Jim's blessing and then tried to make it sound
> > > like a Steinman project by getting everyone in the "making
> > > of" documentary to go on about Jim (even though they had
> > > brought another writer in).
> > >
> > > And how did Jim react? With great kindness from what I
> > > hear. His feelings were hurt about Bat 3 but he gave Meat
> > > Loaf permission to do the phone ad and he won't speak out
> > > against Meat in public.
> > >
> > > I don't think Ray is much of a factor.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ray has never said word one to me about Loaf. I was not
> > > > as critical of Meat before my contact with Ray because
> > > > prior to 2004 Meat's voice was not as awful... though it
> > > > was going downhill... and he hadn't sued Jim Steinman to
> > > > steal his trademark and claimed he wrote most of the
> > > > lyrics and music to Bat 2. Sounds like you are just
> > > > trying to start some shit.My criticism of Loaf comes from
> > > > his declining vocal quality and his increasing
> > > > assholishness... i.e. suing Jim and lying in a legal
> > > > document he filed.
> > > >
> > >
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