| re: The 'Ray' Factor | |
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lotus_nz 03:09 am UTC 09/11/08 |
| In reply to: | re: The 'Ray' Factor - Pudding 01:37 am UTC 09/11/08 |
| i beleive it (he) is a wind up > Which has me questioning the validity of Wagner actually > being Jim. I still think it's a wind up and until JD > confirms or denies it as such, then I won't think > otherwise. > > > You do know what ammunition you've just given the latter, > > even if the second sentence is considered? > > > > > Everything written by Steve Stuart and Smeg is true. Thats > > > SOME of the facts. > > > WAGNER > > > > > > > > But it is not just his voice. It is his attitude to Jim. > > > > He has lied about his contribution to the song writing > > > > process, he has taken Jim to court, he did the Bat 3 album > > > > without Jim's blessing and then tried to make it sound > > > > like a Steinman project by getting everyone in the "making > > > > of" documentary to go on about Jim (even though they had > > > > brought another writer in). > > > > > > > > And how did Jim react? With great kindness from what I > > > > hear. His feelings were hurt about Bat 3 but he gave Meat > > > > Loaf permission to do the phone ad and he won't speak out > > > > against Meat in public. > > > > > > > > I don't think Ray is much of a factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray has never said word one to me about Loaf. I was not > > > > > as critical of Meat before my contact with Ray because > > > > > prior to 2004 Meat's voice was not as awful... though it > > > > > was going downhill... and he hadn't sued Jim Steinman to > > > > > steal his trademark and claimed he wrote most of the > > > > > lyrics and music to Bat 2. Sounds like you are just > > > > > trying to start some shit.My criticism of Loaf comes from > > > > > his declining vocal quality and his increasing > > > > > assholishness... i.e. suing Jim and lying in a legal > > > > > document he filed. > > > > > > > > > | |
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