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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 01:27 pm UTC 04/02/11 |
| In reply to: | re: Overratted Jim songs - Vin 01:08 pm UTC 04/02/11 |
| None needed man, I should be apologizing for getting too defensive and jumping the gun a bit and shooting my mouth off. My fault entirely. > Sorry, dude. I honestly thought you were having a go at > us for April Fools. No offense intended. > > What really convinced me was a Steinman fan being turned > off by a song for being "unbalanced" with soft and loud > parts, since that is essentially a hallmark of Jim's style > going back 35 years. Also, dismissing the middle verse of > "Objects?" Really? Agree to disagree, but that just > doesn't seem to me like a serious assessment that a > Steinman fan would have. Its definitely no less > well-written, no less powerful, or well-delivered by Meat, > than the other verses. Could "Objects" use a little less > chorus repetition? Yes, surely. But to improve the song > by cutting that section? I just didn't buy it. But its > your opinion and I respect your right to it, even if it > baffles me. > > > Musically, not lyrically, AFL reminds alot of Bat out of > > hell, and the lyrics just sound like the story of Paradise > > retold without the unhappy ending "Love you forever, never > > cheat on you ect". I just feel its a concept he had > > already used and had much better results with. Something > > like Rory's version of "Kiss" is far superior song and > > would have worked great as the lead single. Disagree all > > you want, but dismissing my opinion and not citing your > > reasons for it and just getting personal (Which you were) > > defeats the purpose of this board which is to debate > > things > > > > > > As for the topic, I'll add Rock and Roll dreams to that > > list also, the lyrics are excellent but the execution of > > both versions just stop me enjoying it, especially the Bat > > 2 version. > > > > > Hmmm. Okay, this is not personal, but... I think > > your > > > analysis of IDAFL is something that no Steinman fan could > > > say with a straight face, so I'm assuming this is an > > > "April Fool's" joke. Actually, now I'm convinced your > > > entire post is an "April Fool's" joke. Nice one. You had > > > me going for a minute there. I was actually going to > > > challenge you to name a Steinman song from Bat I that you > > > think IDAFL is an impression of. > > > > > > Now, if this were a serious thread, I might cite: > > > > > > RnR Dreams > > > > > > Two Out of Three > > > > > > Paradise (Really. Its good, but its pretty much Jim's > > > best known song, and not that close to being his best.) > > > > > > > Now, this may be opening up a can of worms but I cant help > > > > but read on here songs that, while I think are good, > > > > aren't really THAT special, everyone is of course welcome > > > > to do discuss and disagree my choices. > > > > > > > > Heaven Can Wait > > > > An odd one, as I really like this song as a piece of > > > > music, it sounds very much like a lullaby as Jim wanted it > > > > to be like that. But the lyrics dont do anything for me, > > > > the album would have been better had this just been a > > > > piece of music. > > > > > > > > I would do anything for love > > > > For me, this sums up whats, not wrong, but missing from > > > > Bat 2. Jim progressed so much as a song writer between the > > > > two Bat albums, but this I just feel is him doing an > > > > impression of himself from 1977. Plus, I find the song's > > > > story fairly generic. > > > > > > > > Objects > > > > A song packed full of cool ideas but never executed > > > > correctly. The only song of im's where you really do begin > > > > to feel its length. The good bits of the song are to far > > > > apart from one another (The beginning and the end verses > > > > in this case) the middle verse could be taken out and it > > > > would make the song a hell of alot better. One more thing, > > > > the songs seems very un balenced, in places it sounds very > > > > soft, very For crying out loud esque, but in others are > > > > littered with backing vocals and guitar solo's that really > > > > break the atmosphere created earlier in the song. > > > > > > > > What part of my body > > > > I love this song, I really really do, it has the MAKINGS > > > > of Steinman classic. However, from the version of it that > > > > I've heard, there's only about three minutes worth of > > > > actual song in there and the other 2 minutes is just a > > > > course on a loop. The song either needs another verse or > > > > trimming down to omit the endless course recycle. > > > > > > > > Note: this is my opinon, if you disagree then say so > > > > WITHOUT getting personal thank you :) | |
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