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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 01:47 pm UTC 04/02/11 |
| In reply to: | re: Overratted Jim songs - Vin 01:08 pm UTC 04/02/11 |
| The reasons why I dont think it works on Objects is that theres no real progression to the change of tone, it just sorta happens needlessly. in a song like for crying out loud it works as the more desparate sounding the character in the song is, the more intense the music gets. Such as when the song goes into the 2nd chorus and the music really picks up. There's a real progression to it. In objects theres no real (for lack of a more fitting term) urgency in the lyrics to the change of pace, where something like For crying out loud or Bat or Paradise there is. Think I may have waffled on and missed my point a little, but I hope what I'm getting at comes across. > Sorry, dude. I honestly thought you were having a go at > us for April Fools. No offense intended. > > What really convinced me was a Steinman fan being turned > off by a song for being "unbalanced" with soft and loud > parts, since that is essentially a hallmark of Jim's style > going back 35 years. Also, dismissing the middle verse of > "Objects?" Really? Agree to disagree, but that just > doesn't seem to me like a serious assessment that a > Steinman fan would have. Its definitely no less > well-written, no less powerful, or well-delivered by Meat, > than the other verses. Could "Objects" use a little less > chorus repetition? Yes, surely. But to improve the song > by cutting that section? I just didn't buy it. But its > your opinion and I respect your right to it, even if it > baffles me. > > > Musically, not lyrically, AFL reminds alot of Bat out of > > hell, and the lyrics just sound like the story of Paradise > > retold without the unhappy ending "Love you forever, never > > cheat on you ect". I just feel its a concept he had > > already used and had much better results with. Something > > like Rory's version of "Kiss" is far superior song and > > would have worked great as the lead single. Disagree all > > you want, but dismissing my opinion and not citing your > > reasons for it and just getting personal (Which you were) > > defeats the purpose of this board which is to debate > > things > > > > > > As for the topic, I'll add Rock and Roll dreams to that > > list also, the lyrics are excellent but the execution of > > both versions just stop me enjoying it, especially the Bat > > 2 version. > > > > > Hmmm. Okay, this is not personal, but... I think > > your > > > analysis of IDAFL is something that no Steinman fan could > > > say with a straight face, so I'm assuming this is an > > > "April Fool's" joke. Actually, now I'm convinced your > > > entire post is an "April Fool's" joke. Nice one. You had > > > me going for a minute there. I was actually going to > > > challenge you to name a Steinman song from Bat I that you > > > think IDAFL is an impression of. > > > > > > Now, if this were a serious thread, I might cite: > > > > > > RnR Dreams > > > > > > Two Out of Three > > > > > > Paradise (Really. Its good, but its pretty much Jim's > > > best known song, and not that close to being his best.) > > > > > > > Now, this may be opening up a can of worms but I cant help > > > > but read on here songs that, while I think are good, > > > > aren't really THAT special, everyone is of course welcome > > > > to do discuss and disagree my choices. > > > > > > > > Heaven Can Wait > > > > An odd one, as I really like this song as a piece of > > > > music, it sounds very much like a lullaby as Jim wanted it > > > > to be like that. But the lyrics dont do anything for me, > > > > the album would have been better had this just been a > > > > piece of music. > > > > > > > > I would do anything for love > > > > For me, this sums up whats, not wrong, but missing from > > > > Bat 2. Jim progressed so much as a song writer between the > > > > two Bat albums, but this I just feel is him doing an > > > > impression of himself from 1977. Plus, I find the song's > > > > story fairly generic. > > > > > > > > Objects > > > > A song packed full of cool ideas but never executed > > > > correctly. The only song of im's where you really do begin > > > > to feel its length. The good bits of the song are to far > > > > apart from one another (The beginning and the end verses > > > > in this case) the middle verse could be taken out and it > > > > would make the song a hell of alot better. One more thing, > > > > the songs seems very un balenced, in places it sounds very > > > > soft, very For crying out loud esque, but in others are > > > > littered with backing vocals and guitar solo's that really > > > > break the atmosphere created earlier in the song. > > > > > > > > What part of my body > > > > I love this song, I really really do, it has the MAKINGS > > > > of Steinman classic. However, from the version of it that > > > > I've heard, there's only about three minutes worth of > > > > actual song in there and the other 2 minutes is just a > > > > course on a loop. The song either needs another verse or > > > > trimming down to omit the endless course recycle. > > > > > > > > Note: this is my opinon, if you disagree then say so > > > > WITHOUT getting personal thank you :) | |
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