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Wilbury 02:40 am UTC 05/16/11 |
| In reply to: | re: Paul Crook producing Hell In A Handbasket - rockfenris2005 02:33 am UTC 05/16/11 |
| I would never accuse Bad For Good as being thin or underproduced. It's a bit too LIVE for my liking. In fact in the recent Kasim interview that was linked to on this forum, Kasim described Todd's producing style on Bat as 'capturing a good performance' more than 'crafting an album'. If you compare Frying Pan on Bad For Good to Frying Pan on Bat2, you certainly get that impression. It's almost as if the arrangements and performances on Bat2 are unable to be accurately replicated on stage unless Meat were to double his band and rehearse for a month, such are all the intricacies etc. That's the way I like my Steinsongs. > > AGAIN, same friend of mine (I've mentioned him three times > now lol) thinks "Bad for Good" and "Original Sin" sound > like demos (Well, actually, he refuses to listen to > "Original sin" because he thought the title track sounded > like 80s rubbish, but he LOVES the version on > "Neighbourhood") > > I definitely don't feel that way, LOL. "Bad for Good" is > an experience. > > But "Bat 2" is a bloody amazing album, and yes, Meat has > probably bashed it over the years, who knows! > > > > I think Jim's late 80s stuff is underproduced. > > > > Ravishing, Holding Out For A Hero, Rebel Without A Clue, > > Good Girls, Original Sin. They sound like tarted up demos. > > Thin and tinny, with the guitar plonked on top of synth > > and drum loops with no real… relationship between the two. > > Or structure. > > > > There's a quantum leap to me between the sound of Original > > Sin and that of Bat 2. Bat 2 is SOOO much better and more > > polished and finished. > > > > All Coming Back To Me Now hit the nail on the head the > > first time round, so it's not all bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also love "Life Is A Lemon". Had it ever been used > > > > before? I think its going to be one of the best numbers in > > > > "BOOH: The Musical". > > > > > > The new songs from the album were: > > > > > > "I'd do anything for love (But I won't do that)" > > > "Life is a lemon and I want my money back" > > > "Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than > > > they are" > > > "Everything louder than everything else" > > > "Back into Hell" > > > > > > "Rock and roll dreams come through" was given a new verse > > > (I still think "Out of the frying pan" needed a third > > > verse, btw) > > > "Good girls go to heaven (Bad girls go everywhere)" was > > > given a new intro, and generally a darker tone > > > > > > I can see why Wolf thinks the original versions are > > > better, especially where "Good girls" are concerned, but I > > > think the Bat 2 versions just sound more...polished? Or is > > > that the problem he has? It's a little TOO polished? > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, Bat 2 is great, its the album that > > > > > houses my all time favourite song, which is Life Is A > > > > > Lemon, but it may as well have been called "Jim Steinman's > > > > > greatest hits" for all of the recycled songs that we're on > > > > > their. I dont see why some of the covers could not have > > > > > been replaced with songs like Who Needs the Young or > > > > > Golden Egg. Songs like Good Girls or Frying Pan, while > > > > > good, dont really add enough to the album. Bat 2 should > > > > > have been entirely new songs, or at least most of them > > > > > should have been > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want padding, go listen to Bat 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ughhhh!!!! That's like my favourite album, ever! But I get > > > > > > it. Opinions and all that. But I love Bat 2, more than BFG > > > > > > and OS, which I think are great, but it really comes > > > > > > together on Bat 2, for me. FOR ME! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I'm going to bed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Filled with recycled > > > > > > > songs, that are usually worse then there original, and > > > > > > > even a freaking recycled monologue. At least everything on > > > > > > > Orginal Sin,that was written by Jim, was new, or at least > > > > > > > never before released commercially (With the exception of > > > > > > > the Storm extract) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. But I'm still not sure about the filler on WTTN. I > > > > > > > > > know it's a concept album, but "45 seconds of > > > > > > > > > ecstasy"...really... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's no worse than all the shit Jim used to pad out > > > > > > > > Original Sin. | |
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