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rockfenris2005 02:59 am UTC 05/16/11 |
| In reply to: | re: Paul Crook producing Hell In A Handbasket - Wilbury 02:40 am UTC 05/16/11 |
> I would never accuse Bad For Good as being thin or > underproduced. It's a bit too LIVE for my liking. In fact > in the recent Kasim interview that was linked to on this > forum, Kasim described Todd's producing style on Bat as > 'capturing a good performance' more than 'crafting an > album'. If you compare Frying Pan on Bad For Good to > Frying Pan on Bat2, you certainly get that impression. Yes, I see what you mean. I think the problem with "Bad for Good" might be the production, or it needs a good remaster. If you're hearing a crappy degenerated version, it's not helping! > > It's almost as if the arrangements and performances on > Bat2 are unable to be accurately replicated on stage > unless Meat were to double his band and rehearse for a > month, such are all the intricacies etc. That's the way I > like my Steinsongs. But have you heard the live version of "Everything louder"? It sounds terrible. I was almost convinced that you couldn't play that song live, because of that version. > > > > > AGAIN, same friend of mine (I've mentioned him three times > > now lol) thinks "Bad for Good" and "Original Sin" sound > > like demos (Well, actually, he refuses to listen to > > "Original sin" because he thought the title track sounded > > like 80s rubbish, but he LOVES the version on > > "Neighbourhood") > > > > I definitely don't feel that way, LOL. "Bad for Good" is > > an experience. > > > > But "Bat 2" is a bloody amazing album, and yes, Meat has > > probably bashed it over the years, who knows! > > > > > > > I think Jim's late 80s stuff is underproduced. > > > > > > Ravishing, Holding Out For A Hero, Rebel Without A Clue, > > > Good Girls, Original Sin. They sound like tarted up demos. > > > Thin and tinny, with the guitar plonked on top of synth > > > and drum loops with no real… relationship between the two. > > > Or structure. > > > > > > There's a quantum leap to me between the sound of Original > > > Sin and that of Bat 2. Bat 2 is SOOO much better and more > > > polished and finished. > > > > > > All Coming Back To Me Now hit the nail on the head the > > > first time round, so it's not all bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also love "Life Is A Lemon". Had it ever been used > > > > > before? I think its going to be one of the best numbers in > > > > > "BOOH: The Musical". > > > > > > > > The new songs from the album were: > > > > > > > > "I'd do anything for love (But I won't do that)" > > > > "Life is a lemon and I want my money back" > > > > "Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than > > > > they are" > > > > "Everything louder than everything else" > > > > "Back into Hell" > > > > > > > > "Rock and roll dreams come through" was given a new verse > > > > (I still think "Out of the frying pan" needed a third > > > > verse, btw) > > > > "Good girls go to heaven (Bad girls go everywhere)" was > > > > given a new intro, and generally a darker tone > > > > > > > > I can see why Wolf thinks the original versions are > > > > better, especially where "Good girls" are concerned, but I > > > > think the Bat 2 versions just sound more...polished? Or is > > > > that the problem he has? It's a little TOO polished? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, Bat 2 is great, its the album that > > > > > > houses my all time favourite song, which is Life Is A > > > > > > Lemon, but it may as well have been called "Jim Steinman's > > > > > > greatest hits" for all of the recycled songs that we're on > > > > > > their. I dont see why some of the covers could not have > > > > > > been replaced with songs like Who Needs the Young or > > > > > > Golden Egg. Songs like Good Girls or Frying Pan, while > > > > > > good, dont really add enough to the album. Bat 2 should > > > > > > have been entirely new songs, or at least most of them > > > > > > should have been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want padding, go listen to Bat 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ughhhh!!!! That's like my favourite album, ever! But I get > > > > > > > it. Opinions and all that. But I love Bat 2, more than BFG > > > > > > > and OS, which I think are great, but it really comes > > > > > > > together on Bat 2, for me. FOR ME! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I'm going to bed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Filled with recycled > > > > > > > > songs, that are usually worse then there original, and > > > > > > > > even a freaking recycled monologue. At least everything on > > > > > > > > Orginal Sin,that was written by Jim, was new, or at least > > > > > > > > never before released commercially (With the exception of > > > > > > > > the Storm extract) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. But I'm still not sure about the filler on WTTN. I > > > > > > > > > > know it's a concept album, but "45 seconds of > > > > > > > > > > ecstasy"...really... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's no worse than all the shit Jim used to pad out > > > > > > > > > Original Sin. | |
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