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rockfenris2005 09:10 pm UTC 05/11/21 |
| In reply to: | re: Bat III - steven_stuart 08:35 pm UTC 05/11/21 |
Of course he would have wanted all Jim songs, but when he couldn't get them he resorted to using other writers as well, but he was only going to use three songs in the beginning. In the end it ballooned to like a half/half album, one half Desmond and the other half Jim. It might not have been so bad with just the three. Meat's vision for it sounds better than what Desmond did. > Ugh. Having writers who are not Jim on a BOOH album is > sort of sacrilegious. Didn't Meat even try to fight > against Desmond doing that? > > > It's my understanding that Jim couldn't say anything > > negative while they were promoting the album. After that, > > when Meat was putting out "Hang Cool Teddy Bear" which was > > four years after, THAT'S when we started finding out that > > he was really unhappy with the whole thing, and he's been > > vocal about it more or less ever since. He even ended up > > saying as far as he was concerned, there was no Bat 3. > > There have been a few comments from producer Desmond Child > > as well, who said he had been unhappy working on the album > > too. > > > > In 2016, Jim referred to "Monster is Loose" (instead of > > "Bat III: The Monster is Loose") as that "damnable shit > > fest" on social media which was the only time I ever saw > > him talk about it like that publicly. > > > > Beyond that, I don't know or I don't remember. > > > > It probably was all about the managers. Poor Meat, because > > you can imagine the record company as soon as they get a > > whiff that Meat wants to make Bat III, imagine how much > > you'd want him to put something like that out, because of > > how much money you could make off it. It's this massive > > franchise. Meat under any circumstances couldn't just back > > out of a record deal, lightly, but then you put Bat III > > into the situation, and oh boy. I feel like he was stuck > > and there was nothing he could do really but to try and > > make the most of things and hope that they would work, but > > Jim was already not going to be involved, Desmond changed > > things that Meat wouldn't have done originally (he said > > there'd be eight songs and three other ones by > > non-writers, which I think is what he had in mind as > > opposed to what we actually got), and then Patti didn't > > get the big single duet. It was a mess. > > > > Thank God they did "Braver" together. > > > > > Did Jim agree not to say anything public as part of the > > > agreement that ended the lawsuits which gave Jim the right > > > to do a BOOH show and Meat the right to do a BOOH 3 album? > > > I seem to remember that Meat was the first one of the two > > > to start saying anything really negative about BOOH 3. > > > Although I could be wrong and maybe Ryan The Historian > > > could tell us exactly what happened as far as all of that > > > goes. When Jim died, Meat said that he and Jim never sued > > > each other. He said only their managers sued. > > > > > > > I remember based on the blog and messages here that > > > > Steinman had an order not to comment negatively on Bat 3 > > > > (in public) > > > > > > > > Does anyone have his true (candid) opinions on the album? > > > > > > > > Not meaning to be insensitive. But the gossip in me has > > > > always felt that Jim did not do well being gagged. | |
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