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re: Had Jim been the lyricist for Phantom....

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rockfenris2005 05:06 pm MST 05/24/21
In reply to: re: Had Jim been the lyricist for Phantom.... - steven_stuart 03:02 pm MST 05/24/21


I don't know if even Jim's action packed lyrics could have fixed that one. The problem with that is the story. I was surprised to see some Andrew Lloyd Webber fans recently, who don't like the recent shows, actually really liked that one. It's got a great score, the music is fantastic, but the story just doesn't do it for me. I don't understand why he was so obsessed with it for so long.

> Wow. Evan, that's a most interesting possibility you bring
> up. I have never thought of that. Jim writing the lyrics
> for the sung through Aspects Of Love. That show was so
> boring. As Ryan once brought up, they even sang lines like
> would you like a cup of tea. When it opened on Broadway,
> Frank Rich reviewed it saying: if only I could have paid
> to see just the set. Which was the one brilliant thing
> about it. By Phantom designer Maria Bjornson. But if Jim
> had written the Aspects lyrics it could have been a really
> cool fun show.
>
> > You bring up a great point that I didnít really factor in,
> > which is how would Phantom have been different? I didnít
> > think of it from that perspective. Iím guessing Jim
> > wouldíve wanted to go in a more gothic and darker route
> > but I feel the structure for success wouldíve still been
> > there. Jim wouldíve had no problem getting people to feel
> > so many different kinds of emotion during the lyrics and
> > Iím sure it wouldíve been a more entertaining show for my
> > particular tastes.
> >
> > Itís interesting, though. The actual lyricist really
> > didnít go on to this acclaimed career. Iím going to guess
> > he made so much money from this show that he could afford
> > to be picky with projects. So, for all I know, perhaps
> > this wouldnít have had that gigantic of a change on Jimís
> > career? The thing about Jim was he was always over the top
> > in basically every regard but sometimes it came at the
> > expense of a reputation people didnít want to deal with. I
> > feel like if anything, Neverland wouldíve gotten produced
> > much faster on some capacity. I guess itís inconceivable,
> > though to think that tons of projects wouldíve fallen into
> > his lap because of Phantom. I feel he still wouldíve made
> > BOOH 2. Honestly, Iím beginning to think of anything,
> > perhaps the biggest change wouldíve been a longer more
> > prolific working relationship between Jim and Andrew Lloyd
> > Webber. Perhaps Jim wouldíve been brought on board for
> > Aspects of Love?
> >
> >
> > > I guess Jim would have made it a very different kind of
> > > show. The lyrics they ended up with were bland in
> > > comparison to what Jim would have given them but they sort
> > > of suited what Andrew and Cameron ended up trying to
> > > achieve. At one point they were going to go for a much
> > > more rocky show and Steve Harley from Cockney Rebel was
> > > the Phantom. They even released a successful single and
> > > video with him to promote the show. I wonder if Jim was
> > > approached during this phase (I am not sure - hopefully
> > > Ryan The Historian will know). It is always possible that
> > > Jim would have been replaced the way Steve was replaced
> > > when they decided to go in a different direction. But it
> > > is interesting to wonder about what Jim's career might
> > > have been like if he had written the lyrics for Phantom
> > > and it had been massively successful. At first Andrew and
> > > Cameron were just going to produce. Imagine if Jim had
> > > written music and lyrics for Phantom. I am sure that would
> > > have been a very interesting show. Probably I would have
> > > prefered that show to what we got. And would there have
> > > been a BOOH 2?
> > >
> > > > So hereís a what if. Itís well known Jim was originally
> > > > sought out to write the lyrics for Phantom of the Opera
> > > > but had to decline due to prior obligations. My question,
> > > > how do you feel Jimís career wouldíve changed had he been
> > > > able to write the lyrics for Phantom as initially
> > > > intended?
> > > >
> > > > Now there are a lot of different dynamics at play here
> > > > such as, would the musical still have been as successful?
> > > > Letís say in this hypothetical situation itís still just
> > > > as successful. How does it impact Jimís career? Instantly,
> > > > I feel that some variation of Neverland/Bat out of Hell
> > > > the Musical would have gotten produced much quicker.
> > > > Another thing to ponder, does Jim still reunite with Meat
> > > > for Bat II? Does this make Jim such a hot commodity that
> > > > many other artists are seeking him out to collaborate
> > > > with? Does Meat Loaf give interviews insisting many of the
> > > > songs from Phantom were originally written for him (more
> > > > of a comedic suggestion there.) What else can anyone think
> > > > of?
> > > >
> > > > I understand there are those who may feel itís a little
> > > > pointless to wonder about this, however I feel that as a
> > > > Jim fan itís disappointing to know he couldíve been
> > > > involved in the longest running musical in Broadway
> > > > history and instead was involved with one of the shortest.
> > > >


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