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rockfenris2005 10:34 am UTC 04/18/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Been Having So Much Fun, Thanks! - Dr_Rock 09:22 am UTC 04/18/07 |
Think of what accomplishment you could have made in all that time spent arguing with Susan. *cries hysterically* > There's no need to accuse me of denying Jim credit. He is > one of my very favourite composers and people and one of > my greatest heroes. I think, if anything, he doesn't get > the credit he deserves. I was simply pointing out who sang > what songs on this album to clarify it for you. One thing > about having joined in discussions, read articles, and > listened to interviews in my 15 years as a fervent Jim > Steinman fan is that I can't remember the source of all > the facts. I am, however, pretty certain that the vocalist > on all these songs has been documented. Why not try > listening to a song you know is sung by Rory and compare > it to the vocals on these tracks. Yes, at times certain > vocal inflections do sound very much like Jim, and I'm > sure when Jim wasn't singing lead he was on background > duties, but why would Jim impersonate Rory's voice on > certain tracks and sing in his own trademark style on > others. > Contrary to what you may believe there are many instances > where an album's main performer is not the most > prominently featured on certain tracks. This does not mean > that they have no involvement with it though and that it > shouldn't be on that album. How many Alan Parsons Project > tracks did Alan sing or play on? How many albums released > by guitar virtuosos (e.g. Malmsteen, Beck, Vai) have other > (often uncredited) main vocalists? Was that Meat singing > "45 Seconds of Ecstasy" in a high-balled voice on > Neighbourhood? > > If you were so keen to start an argument with someone why > not check all your facts to begin with. Namely that > nowhere has Jim claimed to have sung all the lead vocals > on the Bad For Good album. All he says in the interview is > that he sung "Left in the Dark," which is true. It is you > that says (and I quote), "my understanding is that Jim did > all of his own lead vocals." Perhaps you misunderstood. > > Peace, > Will > > > One of the reasons why this board is so spirited and free > > expressing, is the members' abilities to authoritatively > > claim that the artist did not do his own artistic works. > > It is so easily that you forbid Jim his credit for the > > wide range of his vocals. If that is so, let me ask you > > this very easy question to answer. Show me where the > > credit for these vocals is given. Show me Jim's statements > > that these vocals are not his. Show me anything, other > > than what you say here. That's easy, isn't it? Who feels > > it is fair to accept this without backup authentification? > > "Main Performer" is Jim on the album. There are several > > people listed for "vocal, backup vocal" but this does not > > indicate, nor is there an industry standard to indicate > > this way, that a lead vocal is being taken in place of the > > main performer. If you believed that, for example, that > > Jim's voice had to sound a certain way because of the > > performances he gave on stage with Meatloaf, and his voice > > could not sound a different way, and comparing that vocal > > to the vocals on some songs on Bad For Good gave you the > > sense of recognition of that voice, and none on the other > > songs, then somewhere along the line someone could have > > said that those were not Jim's vocals. But that is a > > mistake. They are his vocals. If one does not know that > > for sure, one of course could seek where the credits are > > written, or interview information to find out the actual > > truth of this. But none of the information sources show > > that Jim did not do his own vocals. If one has some > > knowledge of vocals as an instrumentation in music, one > > could be aware of the range variations possible and > > probable in the vocals of a trained singer. A higher > > octave and a lower octave tonality don't mix in the same > > ratio of larynx applicaiton, and so the voice definitely > > sounds different. There is other work being done in the > > throat. It isn't even in the difference between a regular > > or a falsetto voice. When the bands are tight, there is > > one tone, when the bands are more relaxed, there is > > another. Tight larynx bands are in occurence in the higher > > octaves. Technically, it is an easy thing to figure out. > > If you are someone looking for things to sound the way you > > expect them to sound, and someone says it sounds different > > because someone else did the singing, it is easily enough > > believed. But, here I believe that there is an error. I > > believe that Jim did all the vocals he claims to have made > > on the album, which are all of the lead vocals, on all of > > the songs. > > > > Recent demos put out, those that show his lower range such > > as Graveyard Shift, validate the error, and then a vocal > > set comes out like "Not Allowed To Love" which definitely > > is sung by Jim, and you can hear that there is a wide > > range of tonalities to the voice of this one man. So, what > > I'm bringing to your attention is this, and also giving > > you the things I heard which you may like to listen to > > again. And when you do, think on the possibility that Jim > > is singing his own songs where he says he is singing his > > own songs. > > > > If Jim said he didn't sing these songs that keep coming up > > in discussion, then please show me where he said it. > > > | |
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