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Dr_Rock 09:22 am UTC 04/18/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Been Having So Much Fun, Thanks! - pidunk 02:57 pm UTC 04/17/07 |
| There's no need to accuse me of denying Jim credit. He is one of my very favourite composers and people and one of my greatest heroes. I think, if anything, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. I was simply pointing out who sang what songs on this album to clarify it for you. One thing about having joined in discussions, read articles, and listened to interviews in my 15 years as a fervent Jim Steinman fan is that I can't remember the source of all the facts. I am, however, pretty certain that the vocalist on all these songs has been documented. Why not try listening to a song you know is sung by Rory and compare it to the vocals on these tracks. Yes, at times certain vocal inflections do sound very much like Jim, and I'm sure when Jim wasn't singing lead he was on background duties, but why would Jim impersonate Rory's voice on certain tracks and sing in his own trademark style on others. Contrary to what you may believe there are many instances where an album's main performer is not the most prominently featured on certain tracks. This does not mean that they have no involvement with it though and that it shouldn't be on that album. How many Alan Parsons Project tracks did Alan sing or play on? How many albums released by guitar virtuosos (e.g. Malmsteen, Beck, Vai) have other (often uncredited) main vocalists? Was that Meat singing "45 Seconds of Ecstasy" in a high-balled voice on Neighbourhood? If you were so keen to start an argument with someone why not check all your facts to begin with. Namely that nowhere has Jim claimed to have sung all the lead vocals on the Bad For Good album. All he says in the interview is that he sung "Left in the Dark," which is true. It is you that says (and I quote), "my understanding is that Jim did all of his own lead vocals." Perhaps you misunderstood. Peace, Will > One of the reasons why this board is so spirited and free > expressing, is the members' abilities to authoritatively > claim that the artist did not do his own artistic works. > It is so easily that you forbid Jim his credit for the > wide range of his vocals. If that is so, let me ask you > this very easy question to answer. Show me where the > credit for these vocals is given. Show me Jim's statements > that these vocals are not his. Show me anything, other > than what you say here. That's easy, isn't it? Who feels > it is fair to accept this without backup authentification? > "Main Performer" is Jim on the album. There are several > people listed for "vocal, backup vocal" but this does not > indicate, nor is there an industry standard to indicate > this way, that a lead vocal is being taken in place of the > main performer. If you believed that, for example, that > Jim's voice had to sound a certain way because of the > performances he gave on stage with Meatloaf, and his voice > could not sound a different way, and comparing that vocal > to the vocals on some songs on Bad For Good gave you the > sense of recognition of that voice, and none on the other > songs, then somewhere along the line someone could have > said that those were not Jim's vocals. But that is a > mistake. They are his vocals. If one does not know that > for sure, one of course could seek where the credits are > written, or interview information to find out the actual > truth of this. But none of the information sources show > that Jim did not do his own vocals. If one has some > knowledge of vocals as an instrumentation in music, one > could be aware of the range variations possible and > probable in the vocals of a trained singer. A higher > octave and a lower octave tonality don't mix in the same > ratio of larynx applicaiton, and so the voice definitely > sounds different. There is other work being done in the > throat. It isn't even in the difference between a regular > or a falsetto voice. When the bands are tight, there is > one tone, when the bands are more relaxed, there is > another. Tight larynx bands are in occurence in the higher > octaves. Technically, it is an easy thing to figure out. > If you are someone looking for things to sound the way you > expect them to sound, and someone says it sounds different > because someone else did the singing, it is easily enough > believed. But, here I believe that there is an error. I > believe that Jim did all the vocals he claims to have made > on the album, which are all of the lead vocals, on all of > the songs. > > Recent demos put out, those that show his lower range such > as Graveyard Shift, validate the error, and then a vocal > set comes out like "Not Allowed To Love" which definitely > is sung by Jim, and you can hear that there is a wide > range of tonalities to the voice of this one man. So, what > I'm bringing to your attention is this, and also giving > you the things I heard which you may like to listen to > again. And when you do, think on the possibility that Jim > is singing his own songs where he says he is singing his > own songs. > > If Jim said he didn't sing these songs that keep coming up > in discussion, then please show me where he said it. > | |
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