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pidunk 04:45 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Bully dog question - Leesa 04:39 am UTC 07/23/07 |
> What these puppies need is a fucking vet! > You seem to think that I'm oblivious to animal legislation > but I know it well. You haven't seen "legislation" like this that I am describing. I am showing you the projected results of the destructive animal protection movements which is to form an animal control movement that will control not only the animals but the humans having them. In California it is most visible. >And I know thatn ignorant individuals > as these are no asset. Ignorant people who love animals need smart people to help guide them. > I can't dispense generic information in a responsible way. > The dogs needs a vet check--I can't fathom havinmg a bitch > and her litter go this long without opne. They'll be lucky > if any, including the bitch, survive at this rate. > Leesa A vet check is adjunct to home care measures for the family. You are being highly irresponsible by refusing to give the smallest piece of information about what puppies, even this breed's puppies, need, even if there are no problems, or what problems to PREVENT. > > > > > Maybe you don't see it, but what is happening in America > > is a slow systematic propaganda campaign on several levels > > which would ostensibly remove rights of breeding animals > > from individuals and place them squarely in regulated > > hands, which would then form bureacracies of distributions > > of who shall have animals, who shall pay how much for > > their animal, and that no individual sources for the > > animals can be found. So while you rant about puppy mills > > and irresponsible behaviors of some breeders just be aware > > that I am in favor of safety of the animal harboring > > rights of individuals just as much as I am in favor of the > > safety for the animals. So, what do these puppies need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that it really matters, but you should know that about > > > 85% of the Bull Terrier Club of America wouldn't even deal > > > with people like you describe--they'd be considered such > > > trash that they wouldn't bother. I have argued for years > > > that we HAVE to try to educate these people or they just > > > fill the miller market more and more by our alienation. > > > There are a plethora of cities in every state banning bull > > > breeds because of ignorant people. Bullies have more > > > genetic health problems than Carter's has pills, largely > > > because we're a scarce-over 120 yr old breed. You cannot > > > responsibly have a litter without knowing genetic issue. > > > Who knows where these bozos got their dogs--Petland? No > > > wait, they don't sell bull breeds...probably another > > > backyard breeder who willy-nilly produces pups. Vets? Who > > > needs 'em? Genetics? What's that? Registries? How 'bout > > > the 'American Pet Registry'? Bloody hell. We LOST over 2 > > > grand each litter. We also set the precedence in the BTCA > > > for guarenteeing pups FOR LIFE. We ALL lose money--it's a > > > hobby, a labour of love. A life's work. Which is why I had > > > the photo of my Elvis in Jim's Yearbook--everybody has > > > kids and is proud and loves them. But Elvis was another > > > kind of commitment and achievement that you most likely > > > can't understand. He was in the works for me since 1974. > > > And you don't have a clue of the work, money and sacrifice > > > that takes. My husband and I didn't have kids until after > > > being married 7 years because bullies were our life. And > > > that was just because we didn't have a bitch to campaign > > > at the time! > > > And the crowning glory for me is that I am respected > > > amongst my mutally respected peers. > > > This is what my life has served. > > > And you'd 'damn well not' refer someone to me..hey, their > > > loss...and a measure of your own judgement. > > > Leesa > > > > > > > I am curious--why would you refuse to put people like this > > > > in contact with me? Do you think I mean the breed harm? Do > > > > you think my take on what they should do is wrong? You're > > > > looking at the standard party line of one of the BEST > > > > national clubs in the sport of purebred dogs. We have the > > > > pristine reputation we have BECAUSE of our approach, > > > > elitist that it sometimes seems. The breed and the dogs > > > > are the priority, always. > > > > I have the privilege of associating with the BEST Bull > > > > Terrier people in the WORLD, some of whom are my mentors > > > > and co-breeders. And you'd 'sure as damn hell' not put > > > > them in contact with me??--well, thanks for adding to our > > > > breeds' problems--I WILL remember that. You read about the > > > > horrors of puppy mills and you know what horse you backed, > > > > sister. Go to one of their auctions sometime. You're > > > > shamefully clueless and you profoundly hurt a 'charming' > > > > breed. > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your letting me know about this. Hmmm. > > > > > > They have both the dam and stud dog--I guess my first > > > > > > advice would be to contact the breeders where they > > > > > > acquired their dogs from and let them know they had (I > > > > > > presume) their first litter. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where the dogs originated from, and it is not > > > > > an atmosphere where they welcome inquiries, even if it > > > > > were my business, which it is not, where they got the > > > > > dogs, and it is also none of my business to call their > > > > > breeder instead of them calling their breeder. If they > > > > > have communication with their breeder, they are not > > > > > reflecting such insights by their communications with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many reasons why > > > > > > puppies in the early days die. A seasoned bully breeder > > > > > > can be an irreplacable mentor, especially when dealing > > > > > > with the complications a litter can bring. I had 3 litters > > > > > > from 1986 to my last in 1993 (the one Elvis was out of) > > > > > > and we had every problem and malady, genetic and > > > > > > otherwise, in the book. Without my mentors I never would > > > > > > have made it! So my first call would be to THEIR breeder > > > > > > for immediate advice, both general as well as > > > > > > bloodline-specific. > > > > > > > > > > They seem uninterested in the bloodline or genetic issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next IMMEDIATE stop would be to a competent > > > > > > bully-knowledgable vet and get everyone evaluated, > > > > > > including the bitch. It's probably too late to remove > > > > > > dewclaws, but I'd definately get an evaluation and be sure > > > > > > that mom has expelled all afterbirth and whatnot including > > > > > > her milk output and general after-whelp condition, > > > > > > focusing on pseuso-eclampsia, a calcium drop somewhat > > > > > > unique to Bull Terriers. > > > > > > > > > > They are not taking the dogs to any vets at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If for some reason they can't access their breeder I'd go > > > > > > to the Bull Terrier Club of America's website (BTCA--do a > > > > > > search) and find the closest regional club. We have alot > > > > > > in California and we can arrange a home visit if need > > > > > > merits from a member of the closest club. They are an > > > > > > invaluable resource with a list of BTCA approved vets. > > > > > > Have them tell the regional club contact that I sent > > > > > > them--I'm the Iowa rescue 'hotspotter' if they don't know > > > > > > me straightaway and am on the BTCA membership list for > > > > > > 2007. > > > > > > > > > > They don't even have time, they say, to go to Petco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My e-mail should be on the Club's website, if it's not > > > > > > been updated from the old aol, it's > > > > > > gallytrotter@mchsi.com. Have them e-mail me with their > > > > > > phone and I'm more than willing to call them and make a > > > > > > personal referral and be of any assistance possible. > > > > > > Again, thank you Susan for setting things aside and > > > > > > letting us help these folks and their bullies. > > > > > > We'll do the best to help these folks and their babies. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > I sure as damn hell won't put them in contact with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What basic care do puppies of any breed need? I know only > > > > > of kittens, and do not know anything about puppies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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