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Vin 01:44 pm UTC 03/24/08 |
| In reply to: | re: NJC: Obama is a smooth cat! - John_Galt 04:49 pm UTC 03/22/08 |
| You think Obama lied? I don't see it. His initial response was that he hadn't personally heard the pastor's comments - meaning the SPECIFIC comments - that were being run ad nauseum on every cable news channel. He did say he'd heard about one or two of them second hand. It was a bit of a fudge, yes, but I wouldn't call it a lie. He never said he hadn't heard the pastor make controversial comments before, just not comments as offensive as the ones which were the subject of the immediate scrutiny. I give him a pass because he was on the hotseat of a firestorm with minimal time to assess the situation - he'd been in session in the senate all day the day the story broke huge. I think his explanation in the proper speech he gave was much more satisfactory. I also wonder, really, just how often Obama even went to church, "intermittently." Lord knows, as a lapsed Catholic, when I did go to Church, or when I occasionally find myself there, I hear things I don't agree with. And as Bill Maher said, why didn't Obama do what everybody else does when they hear their priest say something they disagree with at Church: get up and punch the fucker in the face? > I agree. Furthermore, I think Obama looks particularly > attractive because in the months preceding the speech he > has seemed bored or frustrated by race as a focus of > attention within his party. That's in stark contrast to > almost every other Democratic African-American politician > or pundit you can think of. The rank and file, working > white male labor union guys listen to Al Sharpton and > Jessie Jackson focus on and talk endlessly about race, > racism, and racial issues, and they hear something that > doesn't gel with their own beliefs. It kinda sounds > racist to them. Obama on the other hand triangulates on > race. He knows he isn't going to loose the > African-American vote, so he speaks and communicates about > race embodying the values of a middle-class white guy. > > Here's a scenario I can still see: Obama goes into the > convention with a lead in delegates but a lot of that > comes from various smaller states like Iowa and Nevada > where he won in caucauses. Hillary, leads in the popular > votes by a significant margin even if you don't count > Michigan and Florida. Most party leaders have been saying > they'll follow the "will of the people." In national > polls, that's Obama. In the number of popular votes cast, > that's Hillary. Obama will counter that the standard > should be who has the most delegates even if there is no > lock, which is what the media has been pushing for weeks. > It's a tough call. > > Despite the polls, either Hillary or Obama should easily > beat McCain, whose own party may not be able to motivate > themselves to vote for a guy many of them disagree with > and detest. But, if Hillary wins the nomination at the > convention, the democrats will pay $50 million dollars for > an August show that the media will piss all over. Young > democrats, male democrats, and black democrats may just > stay home or vote for Ralph Nader in protest. Ultimately, > McCain could really benefit from Hillary winning the > nomination even though she should be the much, much > stronger general election candidate. > > The huge lovefest for Obama means that he is still > untested and unvetted. Clinton's campaign can't even > really criticize him without being labelled racist within > their own party. And Obama sucks to the point of comedy > at answering serious questions about a background that > does not indicate he really is much of a color-blind > democratic Messiah. Pastorgate wasn't just interesting > because Obama's minister is a total racist or that > underneath the public persona Obama may be just another Al > Sharpton; it's interesting because it shows Obama to be a > liar; it's interesting because he publicly went forward > with a clumsy and false statement that although he's known > the reverend and attended the church for years, he's never > heard similar views from the reverend -- given the > minister quotes that other church-goers have provided the > media from the years that Obama intermittently attend, > Obama is either insipid beyond belief or he's lying. And > while the Democratic party will give him a pass on lying > openly about his past, the Republican party in the general > election will not. Nobody really knows anything about > Obama. We've been told that he cut his teeth in Illinois > politics, but that he remained pure. Yeah, right. We're > told that he was a poor black kind growing up who somehow > had pockets full of drugs, which he sometime sampled, but > that he never sold those drugs. Yeah, right. Republicans > will be supplying the documents, witnesses, and facts that > Hillary wishes she could on the eve of the general > election. > > Republicans will have no reservations about hitting Obama > because they will know they can win the presidency even > with the democratic candidate capturing 90 percent of the > African-American vote, something that both Kerry and Gore > delivered and lost with. If Hillary captured 90 percent > of the female vote in the general election, she wins in a > landslide. Ultimately, while Hillary has been a tested > winner carrying tons of baggage and negatives, the > love-fest on Obama may lead Democrats to nominate him even > though they have every reason to believe that once the > love-fest ends, he will crumble. > > -=John Galt=- > > > > For anybody who cares about the Steel Cage Death Match > > that is the Democratic presidential race here in the > > States, check out the text of Barack Obama's speech that > > he gave this morning on the issue of racial tension in > > America and the recent controversy over remarks made by > > Barack's former pastor. > > > > I'm semi-addicted to this real-life reality contest, and I > > read this speech and thought, "Obama fucking nailed it." > > If you've been following "Pastorgate" the past few days, > > you know Obama was in serious trouble. Doubtless he's > > lost some white voters over this situation, but still, > > reading the speech, I think he did outstanding damage > > control and turned a a huge negative into, maybe, a huge > > positive, taking the opportunity to make an inspiring, > > eloquent, RATIONALE speech on a topic that transcends > > standard-fare campaign stumping. Something Hillary > > Clinton won't be able to match without looking the fool: > > "Oh, um, by the way, I believe racism is bad, too. And my > > healthcare plan is better. Call me at 3:00am. We'll > > talk." | |
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