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rockfenris2005 05:36 am UTC 04/17/11 |
| In reply to: | re: The demos of Jim singing - rockfenris2005 05:24 am UTC 04/17/11 |
> > I just thought the album itself wasn't all that good. If > he'd tried something different and it was great, I would > have enjoyed it. I've never even listened to HCTB all the > way through more than once, and this is coming from > someone who has listened to EVERY Meat Loaf album AT LEAST > MORE THAN 50 times. I should say ALMOST EVERY Meat Loaf album, because I can't put TMIL into that category :S It's not something I really ENJOY, HOWEVER it's interesting that I've been able to play it all the way through more than once, which never happened with HCTB. Am I saying that TMIL is a better album than HCTB? That is the question... > > > > Jim's music is special because of Jim himself. Meat, like > > it or not, is inconsequential to the whole thing. > > Hmm, I don't believe that. I think there was something > between Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, as singer and > songwriter, that we puny mortals may never be able to > understand or analyze. They did brilliant things together, > because Jim wrote brilliant songs, and Meat sang them > brilliantly. > > Its > > Jim's words and lyrics that bring the emotion out of a > > performer, hats why people tend to rate his Steinman > > collaboration far and away above his other work. > > I've always thought the other artists did just as well as > Meat, as long as Jim was involved. They all served the > song. > > > > Perhaps Bat shouldn't have sold as well if Jim sang it > > himself, but I think there's a strong possibility that it > > would have. > > We'll never know. But I also think it could have. > > > > I'm not Anti Loaf, Surfs up far surpasses the original > > version in my opinion, but again, this is down to > > production and arrangements which bring out the most of > > the song, which in turn gets the most out of Meat. > > Yeah, Jim had nothing to do with the Meat Loaf version. > You always have to consider that factor. > > > > I dont hate Meat, what I dont like is how he's credited > > for Bat and its conception. > > Yeah, I don't like that either. I've seen copies of the > album where Jim's name is nowhere on the front cover. And > that's wrong. I don't like it at all. And I HATE when Meat > Loaf says, "When I wrote Paradise..." NO, YOU DIDN'T, > MEAT. > > Bat out of hell was Jim's > > album with his songs and did everything on it but sing > > (which he should have done anyway) now days. Meat was a > > guest on the album in my opinion, who got the credit that > > Jim deserves. Hoping the Musical rectifies that. > > > > > > > > . > man oh man your previous post and this one make me > > want to > > > scream. but its your opinion so I could care less. > > > > > > To me, I love bad attitude and BBIS. I rank them second > > > and third only after Bat 2. To me, meat is the force > > > behind BOOH. > > > > > > BOOH is as much Meat's album as its Jim's album. Jim wrote > > > it and Meat sang it. Bat would never of worked without > > > Meat. > > > > > > Face it, Bat 3 went platinum and was a successful album. > > > would've been better with Jim's production, but Meat made > > > it work without Jim. Bat 3 wouldn't of worked without > > > Meat. > > > > > > This whole anti-loaf attitude I hate, but its an opinion > > > that must be acknowledged. > > > > > > Meat's tried to separate himself from Jim's song style on > > > HCTB and you all criticize him for it not sounding like a > > > Bat record. Face it, the album imo kicks ass. and is far > > > superior to any steinman album released without Meat's > > > involvement. > > > > > > I am not anti-steinman. I just prefer Meat's work. > > > > > > Gotta say this though, this is a fun debate. > > > > > > > > > > You could argue that Jim copied Meat, but that argument > > > > would be very short and end with me turning with me in my > > > > yet unburied grave!. Jim didn't copy another performer > > > > when he went to sing his own songs, what sense does that > > > > make. Its been well documented that Jim taught Meat to > > > > sing his songs. I've no doubt that Meat put his own spin > > > > into the performance, but the majority of it is Jim's > > > > influence. Not discounting Meats efforts, its just Jim for > > > > me, is better, more emotion, more conviction and I believe > > > > what he's singing about 100 percent of the time. With > > > > Meat, for the reasons expressed before, its only half 50 > > > > percent. > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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