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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 10:32 am UTC 04/18/11 |
| In reply to: | re: The demos of JIm singing - Croftie 09:41 am UTC 04/18/11 |
| I guess like most things, it all boils down to personal taste. A good song will always be better then a bad song sung well, Bat 1 is the former and something like HCTB. Not to put actors or singers down by any means, since I do have a tremendous amount of respect for them, but without people like Jim to think these magical places and faces to inhabit, people like Meat are just people. My original argument was that Meat doesn't deserve the credit he gets for Bat, because the way it sounded what largely out of his hands. I appreciate Bat as a whole, the lyrics, the music and the performances. If its Meat's performance that sells the albums for people then great, all the more power to them. But it doesn't do it for me. Look at it this way, you may wanna look at the Frankenstein monster, but you wanna look into Dr Frankenstein, if that makes sense. Also, call me blasphemous, but I think the guy on the kid champion demos did just as good a job as Meat in my opinion. But, before I get flamed, I enjoy them both equally as they have different arrangements and feels to them, and for the reprise, the faster arrangement coupled with the guys voice just captured the intensity of the lyrics perfectly. Now, I must reiterate that I do not hate Meat, as a live performer, he's earned some high prise and every positive syllable of that he deserves, he's fantastic, one of the best in the business and a marvel to watch and listen too. However, we're not talking about live performing, we're talking about the making of Bat out of hell, which, if you take all nostalgia aside, was good because of Jim and his amazing songs. Yeah, Meat was a reason the album was good, but he wasn't the only reason, or even the main reason. At least, he wasn't for me. > I've watched this thread progress and, quite frankly, I > disagree with almost everything you've said. I don't think > you're blinded by hate for Meat, just blinded by love for > Jim. > > To say Meat 'was JUST the singer' is completely > ridiculous. That's like saying Aretha Franklin, Elvis, > Frank Sinatra and Sam Cooke were JUST the singers. Yes > the songs help, but it's the performance that sells it - > it's all about the voice, the presence, the charisma, the > power, the image. Go and listen to FCOL again and come > back and tell me that anyone else could deliver a vocal > performance like that. As Jim has said, it's just > 'astonishing'. > > Without Meat, Bat would, I hate to say it, have dissolved > into obscurity like Bad for Good and Original Sin (and > even that had amazing vocals). > > So I beg to differ. Yes, I would love Jim to have more > credit for Bat, but I think to take away anything from > Meat is short-sighted and unfair. > > > > Look, I dont really see your beef here. Just stating > > facts. When all Romanticisms are taken out of the > > equations Meat was JUST the singer. Jim wrote the songs, > > Jim helped arrange the songs and the songs sent into his > > Never land vision. There Jim's songs no matter which way > > you look at it. > > > > Do I hate Meat? Nope, never met the guy so would be silly > > for me to have such a strong emotion towards the man. > > > > Do I think he gets too much credit for Bat out Of hell? > > You bet your fucking ass I do. It's a fucking injustice > > Jim got sidelined for Meat when Jim did more on the album > > then just sing, that's not me being a prick, that's me > > being a realist buddy. You will never ever convince me > > Meat's contributions to that album we're more important > > then Jim's, not now and not in a thousand million years. > > Jim's name should not only have had equal billing, but it > > should have been first in front of Meat's in my opionion. > > Not hating, not discounting anyones performances on that > > album, thats just how it should have been. > > > > > I read this thread til I came to this: > > > > > > "Dude, Meat is a very small cog in the making of the Bat > > > albums, there Jim's albums." > > > > > > Frankly Im not interested in anything else that could be > > > said after something this ridiculous get's spit out. WOW. > > > Thank god I ignore almost all your opinions on Meat Loaf > > > since you have such blind hatred for him or I would be > > > upset, lol > > > | |
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