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rockfenris2005 03:08 am UTC 05/16/11 |
| In reply to: | re: I've always been hella sceptical about that claim. - Wilbury 02:36 am UTC 05/16/11 |
That's where the questions begin. Firstly, Jim wasn't involved with David because of what had happened with "Dance of the Vampires". David was Meat Loaf's ex-manager and there was a lot of bad blood between them. "Bat out of Hell 3" was announced. All of a sudden, Jim was back with David and we ultimately wound up with the album that was TMIL. Yeah, hmmm... Then there's the story about Meat Loaf's manager offering Jim the biggest producer's contract in the history of rock music and Jim turned it down, probably because it said Peter Mokran would be in charge of the vocals. Jim's songs are his children, remember. Or it was something else to do with Meat Loaf owning a certain amount of the rights to "Bat", bla bla... And then there were the health problems. Meat Loaf told me on his forum in a private message that Jim needed therapy to play the piano again, which was going to take six months, which in Meat's estimation would be a year. And he didn't think he'd be able to perform in 5 years, and he couldn't wait. He had to move forward. Personally, I think he should have just cancelled. It would have been much better if the album didn't exist at all, and, you know, "Two out of three ain't bad..." ;-) It was a lot of things. We may only hear the complete story later on in our lives when all these people are dead. > I don't doubt it was his INTENTION to have all new stuff. > Whether it would have ended that way, who knows. > > But like I say, you could just about piece an album > together with the songs we DO have, much less the extra > titles we haven't heard yet. So maybe I shouldn't be so > critical. > > If you cast your mind back to 2004, you will remember a > time when it was JIM saying "meat and I are doing Bat out > of Hell 3', and the bit people couldn't get their head > around is that it was MEAT who had just been saying that > CHSIB would be his last. > > And then there was the presto-chango, and the roles > reversed. Meat claims it was because of Jim's Health, > which Sonnenberg strenuously denied. > > So what the HELL happened to change Jim from all systems > go, to trying to nix the entire thing? Was it MEAT who > refused to put in the effort to record his vocals (the > whole "Peter Mokran going to produce my vocals" thing), or > was it the record company not wanting to wait 6 years for > the end result? > > MAYBE there is more Jim could have done from his end, in > the initial stages, to make this lost album a reality? > > > > > > > > > That's easy for Jim to say from the comfort of his desk > > > chair with absolutely no onus to follow through. > > > > > > THAT SAID, the wealth of stuff we've had kicking around in > > > the time since, what part of my body, speaking in tongues, > > > cry to heaven, land of the pig, re-tooled versions of > > > braver than we are, still the children… it's entirely > > > possible I guess! > > > > > > The most suspicious part of that whole affair is that Jim > > > claims one of his titles (in fact I think he claimed > > > SONGS, implying its a little more finished) that he had > > > ALREADY shown to meat was The Monster is Out Of The Cage. > > > Having Desmond and John 5 come along and do Monster is > > > Loose must really have been salt in the wound for Jim. > > > > > > If Meat ever wants to talk to Jim again, he really went > > > the wrong way about it. > > > > > > > I, for one, believe him. Call me naive, and perhaps I am. > > But imagine the look on people's faces if he suddenly > > posted the demos for "Paradise lost" and "The monster is > > out of the cage". > > > > I was pissed off about TMIL, but Jim definitely made it > > worse when he started mentioning all these songs... and I > > really knew what it could have been. For heaven's sake, it > > really would have been a new album, "Braver", I think, > > being the exception. > > > > I see that list, and I just want to yell and scream at > > Meat Loaf and Desmond Child. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont be so sure, according to Jim's blog, Bat 3 would have > > > > had entirely new songs had he been in control. > > > > > > > > > > Bat 2 should > > > > > > have been entirely new songs, or at least most of them > > > > > > should have been > > > > > > > > > > The speed Jim works at, we'd probably still be waiting. | |
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