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Bright_Eyes 09:41 am UTC 08/22/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Jacqueline... - pidunk 08:49 pm UTC 08/21/07 |
| Susan, This has nothing to do with your post about your name, but just something I thought I'd throw in here since I've been posting so much about you lately. The admin said that, in her opinion, you could become a well-liked member if you did not talk so much about the past. I disagree, I believe that you will be hated here no matter what. If I were you I would switch to being a lurker, not because I believe you've done anything morally wrong or offensive, but because some people in this internet fan community have a mentality against you that can only be compared to the mentality of war. I don't think anybody should take the kind of harassment you take here, by any communication technology. The fact that it's on a message board makes no difference at all to me, and if the things said to you here were said to you face to face it would be quite a threatening and abusive situation. I don't believe the theory that the hatred would magically vanish if you met all these people in person, I believe some here have a very real hatred, as more than just a message board thing. It's not just a few who disappoint me, it's pretty much the whole community. Maybe not every last person, but not just a minority either. Even the ones who don't join in the harassment, they still sit back and watch while you are abused and harassed. Even the ones who are known for being the nicer people on this board don't seem to mind the way you are treated, and they sometimes add insults. For some, the only case they can present against your abuse is that it is a waste of time and space, as if the abuse itself somehow doesn't count, because it's only Susan. I've only seen a few make the comment that your harassment is a bad thing in its own right. I'm more disappointed in the normally nice ones than in anybody, because Pudding can at least be written off as a mean person. I can only think of a few here who were willing to make it known that they were separate from the hate gang crusade, and the admin here is one of them, and I greatly respect her for that. This has nothing to do with ass-kissing; I don't care what anybody here thinks of me, and I'm glad nobody in this community knows anything substantial about me. I also don't think my view of this situation has much to do with compassion either. I remember years ago, the admin threatened to shut down the board entirely if somebody posting as "Ryan's Secretary" did not stop their "harassment". The "Ryan's Secretary" posts were nothing compared to how you've been treated and I'm disappointed Ryan got such better treatment from even the admins. If I were the admins I would probably shut down the board entirely, perhaps only temporarily. Maybe for a couple of months. That way we can see if Pudding can even function without his precious internet fan message board. Back when people were begging for you to be banned, people were acting like their whole life was being ruined by not having their precious message board the way they had it before. Going a while without it existing, might help them realize that it's not that important, and it's not worth the crusade they launched against you. Trust me they won't miss anything they need. People have lost sight of how important the discussions on this board are. Like I said, I don't believe you can change whether or not they hate you. Without getting into the complexities of what statements can be, I personally believe that your least believed statements are something other than actual dishonesty, and also something different from fan fantasy. Some here would probably not even reduce their harassment until you confessed to dishonesty of which you are not guilty. For a variety of reasons, you are treated as sub-human here. If a hate campaign like the one against you were launched against pretty much anybody else on the board (except maybe somebody who has admitted to not hating you), there would be quite a lot more outcry. The way you are treated within this internet fan community is a major reason why I do not consider myself part of Jim Steinman's fan community, and can honestly say I have no desire to become a part of what it is right now. If people are willing to harass you as they have only because of what you've posted about the biography of their 'hero songwriter', I think they might have a fan mentality that's gone too far. Seeing this fan mentality in action made me reevaluate whether or not I really wanted to be a fan of anything to any great extent. I no longer describe myself as a Jim Steinman fan, just a listener and collector, and seeing some of what an obsessive fan mentality does to people, not excluding myself, is a reason why. Harassing and wishing for your death because of something so ridiculously petty is a sort of mental sickness in its own right. I started posting here without even the intention of becoming a regular poster, I just had a small number of questions about the music. I found that people were a lot less interested in those trivial but harmless topics than in hating you. I never planned to write posts about another listener of Jim's music, only about the music itself, but I just could not ignore the cruelty and double standards I was seeing. So, in summary, my advice is to stop posting for two main reasons. One is that you'll be unfairly abused pretty much no matter what as long as you keep posting, and maybe for a while even after that. The other is that right now, at this moment, I don't believe the internet community surrounding this board is something worth wanting to be a part of. | |
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