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pidunk 05:10 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Bully dog question - Leesa 04:47 am UTC 07/23/07 |
> Again, oh my god. Get the pups and mom to the vet!!!!!! The dogs are not my dogs. I have no control over, nay, not even influence over, either they, or their owners. The best I could do is to give suggestions to them, which they may or may not take. I already see they are not taking advice I have given to them for monitoring the weight of the puppies as a barometer of sufficient feeding. This is the only expertise I have from cat rearing that I thought might apply to dogs. I know nothing about dogs. I know they are being looked in on, and that is all I know. And I am not the one looking in on them because the mom does not know me. > Christ, that's where everything starts! Bull Terriers are > very specialed and these people are very stupid. I have read that there are indeed issues about Bullies such as the attachments to owners. I know that in the Bully community there is this thinking of who has to be connected to who. So wherever these dogs came from, either is renegade to or part of that, and there is no indication of knowledge. There is no crate. I don't know what to say, but these puppies need something if the vet is not being consulted, the source is not being consulted, no books are being read, no pet shop is being visited, and all that. All I can do is be a nag, but I have to have information of what to be a nag about. >You don't > understand--I CANNOT give you effective > pat-one-size-fits-all answers! Well, what if the difference of helping these puppies and the mom depend on what small answers you can give? I suppose I could go and research on the internet, but why do I have to research on the internet when I have a Bull Terrier Expert with several litters behind them of experience, right here? Every discipline of study begins with the basics. > These people seem too > stupid to entertain what the real pros might offer (their > breeders or the BTCA) so why the hell listen to piecemeal > shit frm me? Why are you calling them stupid? And why do you want their innocent puppies to suffer for their lack of motivation? > This is truly sad, and you'd call such advice 'control'? No, the lack of advice is what I am calling control. > Jesus, whatever--yopu're worse than the moronoc millers we > deal with--whatever. I'm not breeding any animals. I have two male cats, never had a male and female breed under my watch, and do not have any plans to breed animals, either. But if I did, I know the difference between animal care and animal abuse and do not believe that breeding animals defines a cruelty to those animals. The fact that there is a shortage of homes for animals is because en masse a campaign of animal rejection is perpetrated by organized landlords. So, I have nothing to do with any puppy mills when I am asking simple questions that could help an innocent family of dogs. >See you in rescue--thank god we're > here. You just don't understand--Bull Terriers are not > fucking cats!!!! > Leesa Well Duh I've been saying that all along. When I had my cat litter in 1995 I had coaching from a cat boarding facility in my area who by phone helped me get through the birthing. There weren't any cat associations who said I had to listen to my vet. The vet secretary told me to leave the mom alone, but the mom was rejecting. I interceded and saw her to the acceptance and rearing of that litter. Mother and kittens did fine. > > > > > > > > Oh my god... > > > geesh, is that screaming puppy a victim of fading puppy > > > syndrome and what do we do to save it as most vets don't > > > know? Is the bitch attacking the pups and we don't know > > > why? Is a pup so uncoordinated that it can't attach to a > > > nipple and can't feed? > > > Just maybe someone else KNOWS what the fuck is happening. > > > There are no generalised answers and how-tos here. > > > > What kind of environment, what kind of bedding, what kind > > of ventilation, what kind of monitoring, what kind of > > checking, how often is the checking, these very simple > > questions. Very basic questions. How often to feed the > > mom? What to feed the mom? Can we supplement a puppies' > > intake? What can we use to supplement a puppies' intake? > > When can we supplement a puppies' intake? Does it have to > > be soft ground, hard ground, covered bedding, dark, light, > > dim, sun in, sun out, like that. The basics. With cats it > > is easy. I know with dogs it is harder. But I don't know > > how much harder. What are these answers? > > > > > > > > > > > > >These > > > people have to actually get involved. And no, we can't > > > just give out 'puppy rearing tips' and call it > > > responsible. > > > > I would call this CONTROL. > > > > > > > > >And you know what? A hell of alot of breeders > > > and mentors DO walk the puppy rearing people (and > > > sometimes their vets as well) through landmines--you just > > > have no idea whatsoever. > > > > > > The best thing to do is to distribute education. Not > > hoarde knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious--why would you refuse to put people like this > > > > > in contact with me? Do you think I mean the breed harm? Do > > > > > you think my take on what they should do is wrong? You're > > > > > looking at the standard party line of one of the BEST > > > > > national clubs in the sport of purebred dogs. We have the > > > > > pristine reputation we have BECAUSE of our approach, > > > > > elitist that it sometimes seems. The breed and the dogs > > > > > are the priority, always. > > > > > I have the privilege of associating with the BEST Bull > > > > > Terrier people in the WORLD, some of whom are my mentors > > > > > and co-breeders. And you'd 'sure as damn hell' not put > > > > > them in contact with me??--well, thanks for adding to our > > > > > breeds' problems--I WILL remember that. You read about the > > > > > horrors of puppy mills and you know what horse you backed, > > > > > sister. Go to one of their auctions sometime. You're > > > > > shamefully clueless and you profoundly hurt a 'charming' > > > > > breed. > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you tell your momma bullies, "now dear, everything > > > > is alright, we have the best organization for caring for > > > > your breed. Now look at this phone number. Feed that baby > > > > of yours, look at the phone number, and everything is > > > > alright because we are so good, we don't help spread puppy > > > > mill behavior around. Oh, you have a problem? Well let's > > > > see where that hotspot administrator is.....let's see, > > > > right here, you see this website? Go and put your paw on > > > > that keyboard now, that's it.....now isn't everything > > > > better?" > > > > > > > > Do you or don't you have the ability to give advice that > > > > people exercising their rights to breed their own dogs can > > > > take, even if they just didn't go and sterilize their dogs > > > > in the first place? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your letting me know about this. Hmmm. > > > > > > > They have both the dam and stud dog--I guess my first > > > > > > > advice would be to contact the breeders where they > > > > > > > acquired their dogs from and let them know they had (I > > > > > > > presume) their first litter. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where the dogs originated from, and it is not > > > > > > an atmosphere where they welcome inquiries, even if it > > > > > > were my business, which it is not, where they got the > > > > > > dogs, and it is also none of my business to call their > > > > > > breeder instead of them calling their breeder. If they > > > > > > have communication with their breeder, they are not > > > > > > reflecting such insights by their communications with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many reasons why > > > > > > > puppies in the early days die. A seasoned bully breeder > > > > > > > can be an irreplacable mentor, especially when dealing > > > > > > > with the complications a litter can bring. I had 3 litters > > > > > > > from 1986 to my last in 1993 (the one Elvis was out of) > > > > > > > and we had every problem and malady, genetic and > > > > > > > otherwise, in the book. Without my mentors I never would > > > > > > > have made it! So my first call would be to THEIR breeder > > > > > > > for immediate advice, both general as well as > > > > > > > bloodline-specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > They seem uninterested in the bloodline or genetic issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next IMMEDIATE stop would be to a competent > > > > > > > bully-knowledgable vet and get everyone evaluated, > > > > > > > including the bitch. It's probably too late to remove > > > > > > > dewclaws, but I'd definately get an evaluation and be sure > > > > > > > that mom has expelled all afterbirth and whatnot including > > > > > > > her milk output and general after-whelp condition, > > > > > > > focusing on pseuso-eclampsia, a calcium drop somewhat > > > > > > > unique to Bull Terriers. > > > > > > > > > > > > They are not taking the dogs to any vets at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If for some reason they can't access their breeder I'd go > > > > > > > to the Bull Terrier Club of America's website (BTCA--do a > > > > > > > search) and find the closest regional club. We have alot > > > > > > > in California and we can arrange a home visit if need > > > > > > > merits from a member of the closest club. They are an > > > > > > > invaluable resource with a list of BTCA approved vets. > > > > > > > Have them tell the regional club contact that I sent > > > > > > > them--I'm the Iowa rescue 'hotspotter' if they don't know > > > > > > > me straightaway and am on the BTCA membership list for > > > > > > > 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't even have time, they say, to go to Petco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My e-mail should be on the Club's website, if it's not > > > > > > > been updated from the old aol, it's > > > > > > > gallytrotter@mchsi.com. Have them e-mail me with their > > > > > > > phone and I'm more than willing to call them and make a > > > > > > > personal referral and be of any assistance possible. > > > > > > > Again, thank you Susan for setting things aside and > > > > > > > letting us help these folks and their bullies. > > > > > > > We'll do the best to help these folks and their babies. > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure as damn hell won't put them in contact with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What basic care do puppies of any breed need? I know only > > > > > > of kittens, and do not know anything about puppies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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