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Leesa 05:24 am UTC 07/23/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Bully dog question - pidunk 05:10 am UTC 07/23/07 |
> I want these people's innocent pups to fail because of their's owner's lack of motivation? What the hell do I do to motivate them? Fine, you've done what you could, you're absolved, but I can't help them more than what what you have with the advice I've already given. I do appreciate the fact that you have given these folks hands-on all you have, but please ubderstand that I can't offer any more either--at this point if these morons can understand the need of a vet benchmark, we're strung. Anything I offer may be in the face of what's going down. I don't know if we have a fading puppy or a zincy. Or mom is on the verge of pseudo-eclampsia. Usually idiots like this have luck on their sides and lose no more than 3 in a litter that size. If they don't go to the vet they'll lose more. But keep in mind, any info I give you to give to them most likely won't be followed. Do let me know what part of Calif we're talking about so I can let regional know what suspect rescues maybe on the roster. Thanks! Leesa> > > Again, oh my god. Get the pups and mom to the vet!!!!!! > > The dogs are not my dogs. I have no control over, nay, not > even influence over, either they, or their owners. The > best I could do is to give suggestions to them, which they > may or may not take. I already see they are not taking > advice I have given to them for monitoring the weight of > the puppies as a barometer of sufficient feeding. This is > the only expertise I have from cat rearing that I thought > might apply to dogs. I know nothing about dogs. I know > they are being looked in on, and that is all I know. And I > am not the one looking in on them because the mom does not > know me. > > > > > Christ, that's where everything starts! Bull Terriers are > > very specialed and these people are very stupid. > > I have read that there are indeed issues about Bullies > such as the attachments to owners. I know that in the > Bully community there is this thinking of who has to be > connected to who. So wherever these dogs came from, either > is renegade to or part of that, and there is no indication > of knowledge. There is no crate. I don't know what to say, > but these puppies need something if the vet is not being > consulted, the source is not being consulted, no books are > being read, no pet shop is being visited, and all that. > All I can do is be a nag, but I have to have information > of what to be a nag about. > > > > > > >You don't > > understand--I CANNOT give you effective > > pat-one-size-fits-all answers! > > Well, what if the difference of helping these puppies and > the mom depend on what small answers you can give? I > suppose I could go and research on the internet, but why > do I have to research on the internet when I have a Bull > Terrier Expert with several litters behind them of > experience, right here? > > Every discipline of study begins with the basics. > > > > These people seem too > > stupid to entertain what the real pros might offer (their > > breeders or the BTCA) so why the hell listen to piecemeal > > shit frm me? > > Why are you calling them stupid? And why do you want their > innocent puppies to suffer for their lack of motivation? > > > > This is truly sad, and you'd call such advice 'control'? > > No, the lack of advice is what I am calling control. > > > Jesus, whatever--yopu're worse than the moronoc millers we > > deal with--whatever. > > I'm not breeding any animals. I have two male cats, never > had a male and female breed under my watch, and do not > have any plans to breed animals, either. But if I did, I > know the difference between animal care and animal abuse > and do not believe that breeding animals defines a cruelty > to those animals. The fact that there is a shortage of > homes for animals is because en masse a campaign of animal > rejection is perpetrated by organized landlords. So, I > have nothing to do with any puppy mills when I am asking > simple questions that could help an innocent family of > dogs. > > > > > >See you in rescue--thank god we're > > here. You just don't understand--Bull Terriers are not > > fucking cats!!!! > > Leesa > > Well Duh I've been saying that all along. When I had my > cat litter in 1995 I had coaching from a cat boarding > facility in my area who by phone helped me get through the > birthing. There weren't any cat associations who said I > had to listen to my vet. The vet secretary told me to > leave the mom alone, but the mom was rejecting. I > interceded and saw her to the acceptance and rearing of > that litter. Mother and kittens did fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my god... > > > > geesh, is that screaming puppy a victim of fading puppy > > > > syndrome and what do we do to save it as most vets don't > > > > know? Is the bitch attacking the pups and we don't know > > > > why? Is a pup so uncoordinated that it can't attach to a > > > > nipple and can't feed? > > > > Just maybe someone else KNOWS what the fuck is happening. > > > > There are no generalised answers and how-tos here. > > > > > > What kind of environment, what kind of bedding, what kind > > > of ventilation, what kind of monitoring, what kind of > > > checking, how often is the checking, these very simple > > > questions. Very basic questions. How often to feed the > > > mom? What to feed the mom? Can we supplement a puppies' > > > intake? What can we use to supplement a puppies' intake? > > > When can we supplement a puppies' intake? Does it have to > > > be soft ground, hard ground, covered bedding, dark, light, > > > dim, sun in, sun out, like that. The basics. With cats it > > > is easy. I know with dogs it is harder. But I don't know > > > how much harder. What are these answers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >These > > > > people have to actually get involved. And no, we can't > > > > just give out 'puppy rearing tips' and call it > > > > responsible. > > > > > > I would call this CONTROL. > > > > > > > > > > > > >And you know what? A hell of alot of breeders > > > > and mentors DO walk the puppy rearing people (and > > > > sometimes their vets as well) through landmines--you just > > > > have no idea whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > The best thing to do is to distribute education. Not > > > hoarde knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious--why would you refuse to put people like this > > > > > > in contact with me? Do you think I mean the breed harm? Do > > > > > > you think my take on what they should do is wrong? You're > > > > > > looking at the standard party line of one of the BEST > > > > > > national clubs in the sport of purebred dogs. We have the > > > > > > pristine reputation we have BECAUSE of our approach, > > > > > > elitist that it sometimes seems. The breed and the dogs > > > > > > are the priority, always. > > > > > > I have the privilege of associating with the BEST Bull > > > > > > Terrier people in the WORLD, some of whom are my mentors > > > > > > and co-breeders. And you'd 'sure as damn hell' not put > > > > > > them in contact with me??--well, thanks for adding to our > > > > > > breeds' problems--I WILL remember that. You read about the > > > > > > horrors of puppy mills and you know what horse you backed, > > > > > > sister. Go to one of their auctions sometime. You're > > > > > > shamefully clueless and you profoundly hurt a 'charming' > > > > > > breed. > > > > > > Leesa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you tell your momma bullies, "now dear, everything > > > > > is alright, we have the best organization for caring for > > > > > your breed. Now look at this phone number. Feed that baby > > > > > of yours, look at the phone number, and everything is > > > > > alright because we are so good, we don't help spread puppy > > > > > mill behavior around. Oh, you have a problem? Well let's > > > > > see where that hotspot administrator is.....let's see, > > > > > right here, you see this website? Go and put your paw on > > > > > that keyboard now, that's it.....now isn't everything > > > > > better?" > > > > > > > > > > Do you or don't you have the ability to give advice that > > > > > people exercising their rights to breed their own dogs can > > > > > take, even if they just didn't go and sterilize their dogs > > > > > in the first place? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your letting me know about this. Hmmm. > > > > > > > > They have both the dam and stud dog--I guess my first > > > > > > > > advice would be to contact the breeders where they > > > > > > > > acquired their dogs from and let them know they had (I > > > > > > > > presume) their first litter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where the dogs originated from, and it is not > > > > > > > an atmosphere where they welcome inquiries, even if it > > > > > > > were my business, which it is not, where they got the > > > > > > > dogs, and it is also none of my business to call their > > > > > > > breeder instead of them calling their breeder. If they > > > > > > > have communication with their breeder, they are not > > > > > > > reflecting such insights by their communications with me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many reasons why > > > > > > > > puppies in the early days die. A seasoned bully breeder > > > > > > > > can be an irreplacable mentor, especially when dealing > > > > > > > > with the complications a litter can bring. I had 3 litters > > > > > > > > from 1986 to my last in 1993 (the one Elvis was out of) > > > > > > > > and we had every problem and malady, genetic and > > > > > > > > otherwise, in the book. Without my mentors I never would > > > > > > > > have made it! So my first call would be to THEIR breeder > > > > > > > > for immediate advice, both general as well as > > > > > > > > bloodline-specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They seem uninterested in the bloodline or genetic issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My next IMMEDIATE stop would be to a competent > > > > > > > > bully-knowledgable vet and get everyone evaluated, > > > > > > > > including the bitch. It's probably too late to remove > > > > > > > > dewclaws, but I'd definately get an evaluation and be sure > > > > > > > > that mom has expelled all afterbirth and whatnot including > > > > > > > > her milk output and general after-whelp condition, > > > > > > > > focusing on pseuso-eclampsia, a calcium drop somewhat > > > > > > > > unique to Bull Terriers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are not taking the dogs to any vets at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If for some reason they can't access their breeder I'd go > > > > > > > > to the Bull Terrier Club of America's website (BTCA--do a > > > > > > > > search) and find the closest regional club. We have alot > > > > > > > > in California and we can arrange a home visit if need > > > > > > > > merits from a member of the closest club. They are an > > > > > > > > invaluable resource with a list of BTCA approved vets. > > > > > > > > Have them tell the regional club contact that I sent > > > > > > > > them--I'm the Iowa rescue 'hotspotter' if they don't know > > > > > > > > me straightaway and am on the BTCA membership list for > > > > > > > > 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't even have time, they say, to go to Petco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My e-mail should be on the Club's website, if it's not > > > > > > > > been updated from the old aol, it's > > > > > > > > gallytrotter@mchsi.com. Have them e-mail me with their > > > > > > > > phone and I'm more than willing to call them and make a > > > > > > > > personal referral and be of any assistance possible. > > > > > > > > Again, thank you Susan for setting things aside and > > > > > > > > letting us help these folks and their bullies. > > > > > > > > We'll do the best to help these folks and their babies. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure as damn hell won't put them in contact with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What basic care do puppies of any breed need? I know only > > > > > > > of kittens, and do not know anything about puppies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | |
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