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Scaramouche 10:13 am UTC 05/29/08 |
| In reply to: | re: PS. Paradise Lost does exist - Smeghead 08:23 am UTC 05/29/08 |
| I agree...I don't think Jim has ever written a 'concept' album, but then again a Steinman album doesn't have to be a 'concept'. Jim is probably like most songwriters in that he writes & writes & writes with no projects (maybe Neverland vaguely at the back of his mind) or singers in mind. When a project or singer does come along he then sees what he has available to give them. I can't think of anytime where he has written specifically for a singer (apart from Took The Words for Meat). Bat 1 in my opinion has very little to do with Neverland and/or Meat Loaf. Jim had 'Heaven Can Wait' (demoed by Bette Midler) & 'For Crying Out Loud' before he ever met the Loaf, and I doubt he had Neverland in mind when he wrote them. He was inspired to write 'Took The Words' for Meat but I think that was it. 'Revved Up' is from Neverland (but in a diluted form), 'Bat' is inspired by Psycho and Jailhouse Rock, 2/3 is Jim trying to write a simple 'country' love song and 'Paradise' is something weird & wonderful (albeit from Meat's prompting). Bat 2 was disappointing in that it took ages and went massively over budget, and yet only four new songs (at one point the record label was gonna release the album without Objects & Louder). Perhaps more Neverland elements in this album, but not devised/written as a concept. Both Bat albums are just collections of songs that Jim cobbled together from whatever he had available. No great concept thread, just songs on albums (to me). His most original (& cohesive) albums are BFG & Deadringer, and I listen to these way more than the Bat albums. If anything comes close to a Neverland concept, then it is probably the BFG album. I think we could all compile a great Neverland concept album from the stuff Jim has written, and hopefully that is what he is doing with the 'Bat' musical. How about the next 'Merciless Night' album is a 'Neverland' concept? I'm a bit more optimistic that Jim has written some new stuff since his health problems. There's nothing stopping him writing lyrics (Devil's Playground anyone), and even if his piano playing is limited nowadays, I'm sure he can at least compose melodies. I still think 'Body...' was written after his health issues (maybe 2004), unless anyone knows different? > No, if it existed Jim would have had TDE singing it when > he was deperate for new material. God has Left the > Building which version? The instrumental which was just > recycled bits or the bit that was Total Eclipse's music > with Adapted Kunze lyrics? It didn't exist for 14 years. > And Jim gave up the title when he allowed Meat to steal it > without a fight. There never was a Bt 3 concept in Jim's > Head. Just as there wasn't really a Bat 2 concept. Jim's > only real Bat concept is Neverland. All the Bat albums > are just Jim throwing together whatever songs he's had > written at the moment. Thus the fact that Bat 1 was > recycled from the Neverland musical, Bat 2 was recycled > from BFG and PB, Bat 3 was recycled from any Jim songs > Meat could get his hands on and if TDE had gone through it > would have been recycled from any songs Jim had written > Pre-stroke that he hadn't used, whether they were recycled > from Batman, DOTV or other sources. Jim's most original > albums were Dead Ringer (except More Than You Deserve), > and BFG (except for the DIMP title... and who knows how > much of the song was recycled from Neverland.) > > Jim doesn't really ever write original albums or musicals. > His entire careerer is recycling what he has written > before. Doesn't make it all bad... just have to realize > that he doesn't have ideas that form cohesive projects > that he works to fulfill. Tanz was all recycled material. > Neverland had bits recycled from previous works like > Confidence Man and More Than Your Deserve and it was just > really a recycled or refined version of The Dream Engine. > And now the BOOH musical is going to recycle Batman > songs.... > > No Bat projects has been part of some grand trilogy Jim > envisioned from the begining and had fully formed. It was > just whatever Jim had written previously that he could > recycle mixed with new songs that didn't fit any overall > vision. Bat one was 3 songs from Neverland another that > was envisioned from Neverland and three new songs that had > nothing to do with Neverland... Bat 2 was basically the > same thing... | |
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