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The_wolf_with_the_red_roses 09:01 pm UTC 04/16/11 |
| In reply to: | re: The demos of JIm singing - WarioLoaf 07:02 pm UTC 04/16/11 |
| Your right, it is Meats album, in the same sense its Rory's album, and Ellen's. Fact is, Meat was just another performer on that album taking orders and saying yes to anything Jim or Todd said. I recall the story of when Meat came out of "his little corner" and said that the album should have an Motown feel, Todd retorted by sending him back to the corner and telling him to stay that while he and Todd sent him back to hos corner while he and Jim made the album. Meat helped sell the album with the concerts, and that's all fair enough, but on the album he was just one of many performers on it that got heard the most. Bat 3 may sold well. But the reception it got is arguably the worst Meat has ever got and I think is part of the reasons he has to appear on trash like celebrity apprentice. The Steinman fans, which occupy a good part of his own fan base, turned on him. Leaving Hang Cool Teddy Bear with a steep fall out of the charts. I enjoyed Teddy Bear. But it was generic sounding, certainly in Lyrical terms, and felt like watching Meat in a Pop Flick when he used to star in films by Orson Welles. Jim's music is special because of Jim himself. Meat, like it or not, is inconsequential to the whole thing. Its Jim's words and lyrics that bring the emotion out of a performer, hats why people tend to rate his Steinman collaboration far and away above his other work. Perhaps Bat shouldn't have sold as well if Jim sang it himself, but I think there's a strong possibility that it would have. I'm not Anti Loaf, Surfs up far surpasses the original version in my opinion, but again, this is down to production and arrangements which bring out the most of the song, which in turn gets the most out of Meat. I dont hate Meat, what I dont like is how he's credited for Bat and its conception. Bat out of hell was Jim's album with his songs and did everything on it but sing (which he should have done anyway) now days. Meat was a guest on the album in my opinion, who got the credit that Jim deserves. Hoping the Musical rectifies that. . > man oh man your previous post and this one make me want to > scream. but its your opinion so I could care less. > > To me, I love bad attitude and BBIS. I rank them second > and third only after Bat 2. To me, meat is the force > behind BOOH. > > BOOH is as much Meat's album as its Jim's album. Jim wrote > it and Meat sang it. Bat would never of worked without > Meat. > > Face it, Bat 3 went platinum and was a successful album. > would've been better with Jim's production, but Meat made > it work without Jim. Bat 3 wouldn't of worked without > Meat. > > This whole anti-loaf attitude I hate, but its an opinion > that must be acknowledged. > > Meat's tried to separate himself from Jim's song style on > HCTB and you all criticize him for it not sounding like a > Bat record. Face it, the album imo kicks ass. and is far > superior to any steinman album released without Meat's > involvement. > > I am not anti-steinman. I just prefer Meat's work. > > Gotta say this though, this is a fun debate. > > > > You could argue that Jim copied Meat, but that argument > > would be very short and end with me turning with me in my > > yet unburied grave!. Jim didn't copy another performer > > when he went to sing his own songs, what sense does that > > make. Its been well documented that Jim taught Meat to > > sing his songs. I've no doubt that Meat put his own spin > > into the performance, but the majority of it is Jim's > > influence. Not discounting Meats efforts, its just Jim for > > me, is better, more emotion, more conviction and I believe > > what he's singing about 100 percent of the time. With > > Meat, for the reasons expressed before, its only half 50 > > percent. > > > > > > | |
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