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Leesa (gallytrotter@mchsi.com) 10:18 pm UTC 07/20/07 |
| In reply to: | re: Disgracefully Yours - pidunk 06:41 pm UTC 07/20/07 |
| Jim embellishing the truth has become legend but Jim lying about composition I do not believe happens. Jim claims he did not write Rocky Horror--admittedly, there are some stylistic similarities between Bat 1 and RH--I was very attracted to both on style. Jim is a far more powerful composer, both lyrically and musically. We're talking ancient history to document all that went down musically throughout that period,and there was a time that I'd tit-for-tat it to the wire but time no longer serves, but I do know that JC Superstar as whatever, struck me as being much closer to RH and Bat 1 on CERTAIN THINGS than many offerings that came later. But not enough to prove that Jim Steinman HAD to be the one composing O'Brien's work. Similar styles. Queen was another group I was very into during that period and if you look close enough there are overlaps there as well. In fact, if you dissect virtually anything around that period you'll find the proverbial '6 degrees to' is alive and well. Alot of these artists have mutual roots and it does begin to show. Listen to offerings from the time and you'll realise that much of it has alot more in common with each other than anything today. And yeah, you get to comparing the realitively new genre of the rock 'opera/musical' that it was at the time to stuff just meant to be heard on the radio, there was a difference but you see the line being greyed much the same way country merged into pop, especially with Mutt Lange's involvement. Jim pushed the envelope farther with Bat. Keep in mind that musically RH never took off on it's own--only audience participation in cinemas cemented it's success--it bombed on stage as well. It's a very different phenomenom and actually freakish in it's success. Leesa > > > > Stewbeef, there was an awful lot of music at that time in > > the early/mid-70's that had that general 'sound'. > > Like what. No there wasn't. Just because it is rock music > and you compare it to rock music, there are differences. > Really big differences is first, that Rocky Horror is a > rock musical, which as opposed to a rock opera of the > likes of Tommy, found its ability to be produced to an > audience. Second, musicals were found on stages and not on > films since ostensibly the 1960's with few exceptions. > That it is a musical on stage is not unusual, but it > definitely broke the ceiling for other musicals to be made > into films. > > On stage, what differentiated it from other musicals was > that it was as close to an opera as could be before being > shelved in a filing cabinet as an opera. > > > >Alot of > > it you don't hear much anymore but it's distinctive when > > you do because there's really nothing out there today like > > it. 'Jesus Christ Superstar' is another that stands out > > for me, although that was an earlier work. But at the > > time, > > Jesus Christ Superstar was a recording before it ever made > it to a visual production performance of any kind. > > >there was an awful lot of Rocky Horror-style music > > floating around. > > Like what. > > > > Jim had nothing to do with the play except that Meat Loaf > > was cast first in the play, then in the film. Jim himself > > claims he didn't write it and unless you're buying into > > conspiracy theories left and right, his setting the record > > straight is sufficient if you're entertaining any serious > > doubt as to who really wrote what. > > Jim has floating truths which start from some little lies, > as he has shown and admitted before. He also has made > inferable statements which exhibit his actual experiences. > Plus, an awful lot of people really know the facts. They > just aren't the ones who are saying them. The people who > really know Jim, don't have any reasons to look at this > debate and wonder who is right. Bill Wyman is one of them, > who phoned Jim, as Jim told to me, when some guy was > coming up to him saying he was the one who was in the > movie. "What do you think I should do about the bloke?" > Wyman asked Jim. Jim said, "Humor him". > > | |
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